Annoying R3 Trailers

[kernelbogey]

Does this mean that R3 has expanded the meaning - for the purpose of the mixtapes - not merely beyond the strict definition of Haydn, Mozart &c, plus baroque, Renaissance, medieval, Romantic (and beyond) but also to include anything orchestral - film music, TV themes, video games music?... it does leave one without a way of designating "classical-in-the strict-sense". It impoverishes rather than enriches.

The Classical Mix podcast I listened to half of, out of curiosity, while waiting for TTN to begin, included six pieces of music, one of which was classical in the strict sense: a Mozart piano sonata. The rest (I didn't hear them all) were I think loosety described as 'classical'. Maybe it's the presence of multiple live musicians playing strings, woodwind and brass - as opposed to one person with a keyboard and a laptop - that now defines 'classical'!

[french frank]

The term classical (music) has been defined - if that is indeed not too grandiose a statement in itself - by the commercial music industry in some kind of default mode (not pop, garage, jazz, rap....).

It's lamentable that the BBC, which is in a position to take a serious public stance on this - after all BBC Radio 3 is purportedly the very home of Classical Music - merely perpetuates this sloppy non-definition originally designed to help retailers display CDs.

Does this mean that R3 has expanded the meaning - for the purpose of the mixtapes - not merely beyond the strict definition of Haydn, Mozart &c, plus baroque, Renaissance, medieval, Romantic (and beyond) but also to include anything orchestral - film music, TV themes, video games music? It would be how language evolves, but it does leave one without a way of designating "classical-in-the strict-sense". It impoverishes rather than enriches.

I was struck by a story in the Guardian yesterday about a musician husband-and-wife team who bought a 70-tonne sailing ship to sail round the world giving concerts. They would be loosely described as being in the pop/world/singer-songwriter world, but he described how he had changed while sailing round the world (twice) over four years:

"And my music tastes have changed too – I’m listening to a lot of long-form classical pieces. It sounds weird, but putting on a three-minute pop song at sea makes no sense.”

People just aren't living the right sort of lives now to appreciate classical music. I can imagine that being at sea with no other entertainment and plenty of time for quiet reflection and no interruptions would be just the right environment.

[kernelbogey]

...My disgruntlement led me to query not only why the interruptions, but also why it's called Classical Mixtape, when music from that period was noticeable by its absence - a single token WAM movement. ...

The term classical (music) has been defined - if that is indeed not too grandiose a statement in itself - by the commercial music industry in some kind of default mode (not pop, garage, jazz, rap....).

It's lamentable that the BBC, which is in a position to take a serious public stance on this - after all BBC Radio 3 is purportedly the very home of Classical Music - merely perpetuates this sloppy non-definition originally designed to help retailers display CDs.

[LMcD]

Unfortunately there are people, much beloved by programme -makers, who actually like that sort of thing. There used to be a continuity announcer on ITV who kept forgetting the name of the next programme or the leading person it it, much to our irritation . When I mentioned it to someone at work she said 'Oh, we enjoy that!'. Its a bit like those people who watch formula one racing just to see the crashes.

Why not get Marvin The Paranoid Android to read out AI-generated trails and avoid this sort of thing in future?

[oddoneout]

Yesterday, as I had the time available, I listened to the mixtape, complete with its two advert slots.I thought the point of a mixtape was that the music ran without interruption from one piece to the other? My disgruntlement led me to query not only why the interruptions, but also why it's called Classical Mixtape, when music from that period was noticeable by its absence - a single token WAM movement. Which is linked to to my ongoing annoyance, in similar vein, to the constant repetition of "the home of classical music", to which my frequent response(together with mute button) is "I wish". I realise it's pedantic, but music from that period(even if one takes its extended timeline as on the WIKI page) is similarly noticeable by its absence from the schedules, certainly from the evening concerts.
Perhaps it's been ditched to make space for all the alternative content(chat, promo, adverts - oh and questionably classical(in the "oh bung it on R3" sense) music)
I didn't think my R3 listening might end with a witter rather than a bang...

[smittims]

Unfortunately there are people, much beloved by programme -makers, who actually like that sort of thing. There used to be a continuity announcer on ITV who kept forgetting the name of the next programme or the leading person it it, much to our irritation . When I mentioned it to someone at work she said 'Oh, we enjoy that!'. Its a bit like those people who watch formula one racing just to see the crashes.

[kernelbogey]

One of the particular irritations of the trails is hearing the same infelicities repeated multiple times.

Currently the Private Passions trail, seemingly endlessly repeated, includes a few words from (among others) Chris Addison, who, recalling his father working at the dining room table 'listening very loud to Schubert'. It's an innocent slip in colloquial speech, scarcely noticeable in the context of an interview heard once but an increasing irritant when the clip is shoe-horned for the nth time in between musical pieces. Whoever made the trail was clearly asleep at the wheel, and it's also a disservice to Chris Addison to keep repeating it.

[Serial_Apologist]

I met Catriona Young

PS She was wearing jeans when I saw her, not that dress.

Ingenious!

[french frank]

Good biog on Aunt Daisy's R3 link too

I met Catriona Young

PS She was wearing jeans when I saw her, not that dress.

[Old Grumpy]

Good biog on Aunt Daisy's R3 link too

[Serial_Apologist]

I have a soft spot for her in that dress!

[AuntDaisy]

Martin again referred on Sunday morning - jokingly, that he might have time to write a novel after April - to his leaving R3/BBC.... So that just leaves TTN as far as I am concerned.

Maybe MH's novel will be an exposé of R3 behind-the-scenes? He'll be missed.

Yes, TTN is a life-line, and I'm already missing dear Catriona Young.


Image from Twitter.

[Nick Armstrong]

Martin again referred on Sunday morning - jokingly, that he might have time to write a novel after April - to his leaving R3/BBC....

[kernelbogey]

Yet to listen to today’s but yes, me too - my lingering allegiance to Martin H is also under threat from the rising tide of promo sludge

Martin again referred on Sunday morning - jokingly, that he might have time to write a novel after April - to his leaving R3/BBC.... So that just leaves TTN as far as I am concerned.

[LMcD]

Listening to radio 4 in car and they trailed back issues available of the program.

I think the Radio 4 trailers might be read by newsreader and continuity announcer Viji Alles rather than Neil Nunes.