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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30739

    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
    And what is 'immersive' music?
    Requires no brain intervention: Oh, wallow, wallow, wallow.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • AuntDaisy
      Host
      • Jun 2018
      • 1877

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Requires no brain intervention: Oh, wallow, wallow, wallow.
      Mud, mud, glorious mud... and there let us wallow...

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      • LMcD
        Full Member
        • Sep 2017
        • 8893

        Originally posted by french frank View Post

        Requires no brain intervention: Oh, wallow, wallow, wallow.
        It's ideal Music To Tackle The Times Crossword By.

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 13115

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post

          It's ideal Music To Tackle The Times Crossword By.
          ... particularly as a piece takes less than four minutes

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          • Roger Webb
            Full Member
            • Feb 2024
            • 990

            Originally posted by LMcD View Post

            It's ideal Music To Tackle The Times Crossword By.
            There was a lengthy discussion in The Times a few years ago about timing ones completion of the crossword. The competition was fierce to prove ones prowess, timing ones egg (Vinteuil) was often given....soft-boiled was just boasting! One poor chap ended the discussion by claiming he too timed his crossword with his egg.......and then revealed he liked the Chinese 100-year eggs!

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 13115

              .

              .... it was MR James who started it. He liked his eggs soft-boiled

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              • Roger Webb
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                • Feb 2024
                • 990

                On the subject, and you being London based, Vinteuil, might know, is the chap who had a small office in Fleet St. who daily solved all the 'difficult' newspaper crosswords and then sold the solutions to those who wanted to impress their workmates, or were on their way to job interviews, still in business?

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                • LMcD
                  Full Member
                  • Sep 2017
                  • 8893

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                  ... particularly as a piece takes less than four minutes

                  .
                  Yes, but Night Tracks lasts 90 minutes, and sometimes even that isn't long enough, in which case I then play one of my set of six beloved Readers Digest 'Dance Band Days' CDs.
                  (My best time so far is 11 minutes).

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                  • vinteuil
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 13115

                    Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post
                    ... is the chap who had a small office in Fleet St. who daily solved all the 'difficult' newspaper crosswords and then sold the solutions... still in business?
                    ... never knew of that. He wd've been a hard case for What's My Line?

                    When I was in gainful employment I did the crosswords regularly. Well, it passed the time. Curiously, since becoming a gentleman of leisure I have better things to do...

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                    Last edited by vinteuil; 12-02-25, 14:06.

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                    • kernelbogey
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5861

                      Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                      There was a lengthy discussion in The Times a few years ago about timing ones completion of the crossword. The competition was fierce to prove ones prowess, timing ones egg (Vinteuil) was often given....soft-boiled was just boasting! One poor chap ended the discussion by claiming he too timed his crossword with his egg.......and then revealed he liked the Chinese 100-year eggs!
                      I had an indirect involvement with the Times Crossword Competition circa forty years ago; the man who won regularly for several years running (until they asked him to stop entering) usually took IIRC under four minutes.

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                      • LMcD
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                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8893

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

                        I had an indirect involvement with the Times Crossword Competition circa forty years ago; the man who won regularly for several years running (until they asked him to stop entering) usually took IIRC under four minutes.
                        Would that be John Sykes?

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                        • Roger Webb
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                          • Feb 2024
                          • 990

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                          ... never knew of that. He wd've been a hard case for What's My Line?

                          When I was in gainful employment I did the crosswords regularly. Well, it passed the time. Curiously, since becoming a gentleman of leisure I have better things to do...

                          .
                          Much the same here, now retired I have little time for mere 'pastimes'.

                          As for 'gainful employment'.......being a humble CD merchant, both words are gross exaggerations.....although the public's conception of the trade was more like semi-legal banditry!

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 13115

                            Originally posted by Roger Webb View Post

                            As for 'gainful employment'.......being a humble CD merchant, both words are gross exaggerations.....although the public's conception of the trade was more like semi-legal banditry!
                            ... I was too young to understand it when I first heard it, but later came to appreciate the self-description of one of my parents' friends, a scholarly hack -

                            " O, I always say I'm a writer. In much the same way that certain ladies call themselves 'actresses'... "



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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30739

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              " O, I always say I'm a writer. In much the same way that certain ladies call themselves 'actresses'... "
                              When asked Auden used say he was a medieval historian because "it withers curiosity". This I can understand
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Ein Heldenleben
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 7219

                                Very abused word “immersive.” It’s used to mean music to relax into and let all other thoughts leave your mind. But real immersion as a listener or performer is something completely differently . It’s a total focus on the piece . It’s not at all relaxing . With a piece you’ve got under fingers it’s almost as if there’s nothing between the notes on the page and the action of the fingers and the music coming from the instrument . You’re not having to “think “ what to do . Of course the greats can do this with any piece and from memory and make subtle constant instinctive modifications. They are
                                truly “immersed “ -but their brains are working furiously. I guess in tennis it’s called flow - an instinctive state in which all the mental blocks about playing the perfect shot disappear. The gap between seeing ball , shot selection and execution is imperceptible.
                                It’s sort of Bhuddist . Like the target drawing the arrow - the instrument is almost sucking the music out of the player - almost as if the keys are pulling the fingers down. The piano is “playing “ the pianist .A very weird feeing.

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