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  • Domeyhead
    • Dec 2024

    The Doctrinaire stupidity of the BBC

    Most of us, I hope, listen to Radio 3 in the mornings because we find listening to the music uplifiting, affirming, sometimes calming, occasionally even emotional. BBC Breakfast has a particular role at the start of the many people's day, and its benign influence on the mood of many people should not be underestimated.
    Why then does the BBC think it is appropriate and necessary to interrupt the uplifting experience with two minutes of pointless irrelevant selective, partial doctrinaire "news"? every hour? There are two problems Firstly, the BBC's news editorial policy means that what is presented is not "news" relevant to the average Radio 3 listener but an agenda of running stories selected by news editors with a clear bias towards certain events, countries and policies that to be blunt we do not have to be kept up to date with every single hour. Secondly why can the BBC not respect the decision of the listener to select Radio 3 rather than Radio 5 Live or Radio 4? It is no good questioning BBC orthodoxy on this, as I have done because what comes back is a bland reply that "listeners appreciate the opportunity to catch up with important stories witout retuning to another station". I am sorry to swear but to be blunt this answer is b*ll*cks.
    "We interrupt your enjoyment of Schubert to tell you that Abu Hamza may be extradited. A politician may or may not have said a word to a policemen two days ago who is still very hurt and the humourless Police Federation spokesman was still very upset yesterday. Someody at the Lib Dem conference will say later today that........" What am I supposed to do with this meaningless politically selective drivel?" So who exactly are the mythical persons who have expressed the view that this is what they want? And in such numbers that it overwhelms the listeners who just want to be carried away on a pleasurable musical journey without being made to feel that they are indulging in an lillicit pleasure that must be punished? I can't indluence the news. It doesn't change my day except to throw a bucket of slop over the audience's collective outlook. And then to top it off Sarah Mohr Pietsch comes back afterwards on with BLue Peter Presenter's forced jollyness to introduce Haydn's La Speziale overture and we are supposed to suddenly become cheerful again. It was never the BBC's job to suppress listener happiness in favour of a collective guilt, which seems to be one of the BBC News hidden agendas. It might at least be justifiable if the items presented were either something that affected us or something that we could in turn affect. But they aren't.
    Either do a proper news programme and watch the audience disappear completely to Classic FM or learn from this salutory fact and just leave it out. It is vainglorious bovine stupidity dressed up as some kind of mission statement.
  • amateur51

    #2
    A fine post Domey - many thanks for raising this far better than I could have done.

    I tend to listen to the preceding day's concerts or Through The Night at breakfast time - that way I get maximum music and minimum happy chat and the newsy drivel that you have described so well.

    By lunchtime, Radio 3 may have recovered its poise and we are offered concerts 'live' and otherwise. At about 16:00 I confess I have a snooze to avoid the religion slot & In Tune where chatter can be boring and then I make some dinner often listening to the evening concert.

    It suits me to pick & choose like this but I wish it weren't so

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30456

      #3
      Well, I can offer 'The Answer' - for what it's worth.

      In short: Hutton.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Well, I can offer 'The Answer' - for what it's worth.

        In short: Hutton.
        Lord? Len? Betty?

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        • Paul Sherratt

          #5
          My money's on Len.

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          • eighthobstruction
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 6449

            #6
            Possibly Bristol slang or even ancient Welsh ?
            bong ching

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            • Paul Sherratt

              #7
              >>watch the audience disappear completely to Classic FM

              Hang on, the NHS can't cope as it is !

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26572

                #8
                Originally posted by Domeyhead View Post
                ... two minutes of pointless irrelevant selective, partial doctrinaire "news"? every hour? ...
                I could not agree more with every word of the OP which expresses neatly and pungently the thoughts that cross my mind each time I catch the above two minutes of "news".

                Dorneyhead
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • handsomefortune

                  #9
                  A fine post Domey

                  seconded amatuer51!

                  one of the BBC News hidden agendas. problems arise when it's not hidden enough! puerile 'news items' scream out of the radio, as regular as a cuckoo clock!

                  keep your agenda hidden please beeb....it's like wandering around with your pants showing - embarrassing for everyone else to witness...... especially if they're also paying for it!

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                  • salymap
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5969

                    #10
                    Yes, well done Domey, a splendid post - just wish it could alter the way we are being treated by the once respected BBC.

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                    • VodkaDilc

                      #11
                      May I give full support to all the points made by Domeyhead. I just wish I could believe that anything will change.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30456

                        #12
                        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                        Lord? Len? Betty?
                        Lord, of course, Amatewer.

                        The whole Hutton shemozzle resulted in a ton of bricks falling on the Beeb, the end of the Board of Governors, the rise of the Trust from the ashes and everything thereafter laid down in black and in white what the BBC must and must not do, and what every TV channel and radio station must and must not do and what everyone else at the Beeb must and must not do.

                        And, lo! they that were in high places wagged their fingers at the BBC and invented a form of words known as 'The BBC's Public Purposes' and the Public Purposes were what the BBC had to fulfil, and the Royal Charter and Agreement begat the Public Purposes. And the Public Purposes begat the Service Licences. And the Service Licences set forth what each service must do to contribute towards the Public Purposes. And these are the Public Purposes:



                        And Radio 3 must Sustain Citizenship and Civil Society by repeating the news at regular intervals, regardless of whether there is any news or not. For thus Radio 3 Sustains Citizenship and Civil Society.

                        And with thy boiled egg and soldiers, take thou also thy gobbets of news and consume them, for they sustain not only thou but also citizenship and civil society.

                        And what the Royal Charter and Agreement putteth together, let not man put asunder.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • salymap
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5969

                          #13
                          Very nicely put ff.

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                          • teamsaint
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 25225

                            #14
                            well said Domey.
                            All "news" needs the most careful examination as to it's sources etc.

                            the BBC is most insistent that we all pay attention to what it calls news.

                            I really wish I could spend my long morning drives listening to quality, varied music on a BBC station that I help pay for...but this apparently cannot be.
                            So CD's it is. Fortunately amazon market place is helping me out.....
                            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37814

                              #15
                              In Zen they say, if standing, stand; if sitting, sit; above all, don't wobble - meaning do not engage in two mutually contradicting activities. Listening to a speech by Margaret Thatcher while making love would be one example, hearing the news every fifteen (or however many) minutes between listening to life-enriching music, another.

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