Too late Nick ?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Labour didn't learn from it either. They did the same thing when Ramsey MacDonald formed the National Government, which quickly became overwhelmingly Conservative. It soon came to be regarded as a huge betrayal.

[MrGongGong]

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Personally, I don't think it's a particularly funny or clever video and it's so clearly politically-motivated its almost worthy of contempt by any independently-minded person.

so that's

You & the Prof & mr P (oops not him he's gone for an early bath !)

how anyone who is part of the Catholic Church can describe themselves as "independent minded" is a bit of a puzzle ? Vegan butchers anyone ?

[french frank]

I look in from time to time, but it's only the same half dozen playing 'Kick Cleggy and the Lib Dems' . If I weren't a LibDem I'd have been able to pull all these threads for spamming!

That's fair enough, provided you extend the same courtesy to the SNP...... and provided you don't to the tories.

Doesn't arise.

Well, I will say that I think it's an abuse of the forum to keep starting threads which are really saying the same thing over and over again. I banned Mr Pee's 'topical' threads on immigration and I'm minded to close threads which consistently batter at the Catholic Church, for the same reason. Saying things once is an opinion, saying the same predictable things repetitiously and continuously is boring. Being boring and insulting is unacceptable.

I'm interested in political and constitutional matters and would love to discuss the general difficulties of the present situation. But I keep quiet because any attempts to do so get sneered at rather than thought about and discussed. I feel gagged by the lack of outlet for free expression without being mugged.

[scottycelt]

so that's

You & the Prof & mr P (oops not him he's gone for an early bath !)

how anyone who is part of the Catholic Church can describe themselves as "independent minded" is a bit of a puzzle ? Vegan butchers anyone ?

Ah, the Catholic Church ... of course! ... silly me ... how did I ever fail to see the relevance of it and Nick Clegg and tuition fees!

Hope you heard the discussion with NC on the Today programme this morning Mr GG. Sarah Montague (who is by far the best interviewer, imo) said that Cleggie could well be described as 'the most successful Liberal leader since the second world war' due to actual policy implementation, though she did seem to have ignored the fact that it hasn't really been the Liberal Party since its merger with the old SDP!

She is absolutely right, of course, and this is exactly the point that many of Clegg critics seem to totally ignore. They don't even consider the glass half-empty rather than half-full, they rather don't even seem to realise that there is a Liberal Democrat glass in the first place. They are so annoyed at the LDs going into coalition with the Tories they cover their eyes to avoid the truth and scream that Clegg is a 'traitor' as if he and his colleagues had defected to the Conservatives. It is significant that right-wing Tories think exactly the same in the other direction and that Cameron has turned into a woolly liberal!

When politicians come under such typically ignorant attacks from both the Right and Left the rest of us can be pretty sure these same politicians are broadly on the correct path.

[MrGongGong]

When politicians come under such typically ignorant attacks from both the Right and Left the rest of us can be pretty sure these same politicians are broadly on the correct path.

I hope you don't have to have your DLA "assessed" then ...................... "correct path" my arse

[amateur51]

I hope you don't have to have your DLA "assessed" then ...................... "correct path" my arse

But remember MrGG - God will provide

[Serial_Apologist]

Hope you heard the discussion with NC on the Today programme this morning Mr GG. Sarah Montague (who is by far the best interviewer, imo) said that Cleggie could well be described as 'the most successful Liberal leader since the second world war' due to actual policy implementation, though she did seem to have ignored the fact that it hasn't really been the Liberal Party since its merger with the old SDP!

She is absolutely right, of course, and this is exactly the point that many of Clegg critics seem to totally ignore. They don't even consider the glass half-empty rather than half-full, they rather don't even seem to realise that there is a Liberal Democrat glass in the first place. They are so annoyed at the LDs going into coalition with the Tories they cover their eyes to avoid the truth and scream that Clegg is a 'traitor' as if he and his colleagues had defected to the Conservatives. It is significant that right-wing Tories think exactly the same in the other direction and that Cameron has turned into a woolly liberal!

When politicians come under such typically ignorant attacks from both the Right and Left the rest of us can be pretty sure these same politicians are broadly on the correct path.

If ever I heard a more inept interview on Toady, it was Ms Moontague's of Nick Clegg this morning. Our Sarah got her knickers completely twisted as Nice Man Cleggie barnstormed any attempts a futile questions attempted by her ladyship.

A mutual inarticulate slanging match made in hell, and complete missed opportuity and waste of licensepayers' money.

(BTW, this isn't an attack on the Catholic Church, for anybody like me, who got out of bed the wrong side this morning!)

[amateur51]

If ever I heard a more inept interview on Toady, it was Ms Moontague's of Nick Clegg this morning. Our Sarah got her knickers completely twisted as Nice Man Cleggie barnstormed any attempts a futile questions attempted by her ladyship.

A mutual inarticulate slanging match made in hell, and complete missed opportuity and waste of licensepayers' money.

(BTW, this isn't an attack on the Catholic Church, for anybody like me, who got out of bed the wrong side this morning!)

Two apparently intelligent well-informed people going at it hammer-and-tongs, not listening to each other and at ever-increasing volume and in my bedroom dammit started my day off very badly

[Serial_Apologist]

Two apparently intelligent well-informed people going at it hammer-and-tongs, not listening to each other and at ever-increasing volume and in my bedroom dammit started my day off very badly

Yes indeed, Ams.

These days I find there's nothing quite like anger for concentrating the mind. Unfortunately...

[Barbirollians]

I cannot stand Sarah Montague - she is loud and she evidently starts off with a list of questions and never listens to the answers .

[scottycelt]

I cannot stand Sarah Montague - she is loud and she evidently starts off with a list of questions and never listens to the answers .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/img/presenters/sarah_montague.jpg

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I thought Vince C. gave a good speech today.

[AjAjAjH]

The Greens don't stand here in North Wilts.

As an addict of cookery programmmes, I have heard of 'wilted greens' but never 'north wilted greens', so I'm not surprised!!

[teamsaint]

As an addict of cookery programmmes, I have heard of 'wilted greens' but never 'north wilted greens', so I'm not surprised!!

its to do with the toxins released on the plain.
back to the BBC...I really wish they would teach their presenters not to interrupt answers. It used to be considered bad manners.

[scottycelt]

its to do with the toxins released on the plain.
back to the BBC...I really wish they would teach their presenters not to interrupt answers. It used to be considered bad manners.

The point here is that BBC management instructs its interviewers to interrupt answers, at least from politicians. When BBC managers have been questioned on this by some listeners and viewers in the past they have replied that politicians and others in authority often evade the question and therefore it is 'in the public interest' that they are hassled for an answer.

What the managers don't seem to realise (or more likely don't care) is that the interviewees don't even get a chance to answer the question in the first place. It's the old, old story of management teams forcing whizz ideas on staff and totally ignoring the views of employees and customers.

I haven't yet come across anyone who thinks this aggressive style of interviewing is anything other than irritating and a complete turn-off. Furthermore it is somewhat insulting to listeners/viewers to suggest that they are somehow unable to comprehend when someone is evading a question, so the answer (even if non-evasive) must never be heard!

I still much prefer Sarah Montague to John Humphrys, though ...