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  • scottycelt

    #16
    I think I must be the only one here who possibly has a teeny-weeny tad of sympathy for the young Right Honourable Nicholas ... ... he clearly forgot that sly old practitioner Harold MacMillan's wonderfully honest and truthful assessment of the main obstacle to political achievement ... 'events, dear boy, events ... '.

    Okay, he made that silly, pie-in-the-sky promise before the election like politicians of all parties do and, being in the additional comfortable position of the Lib Dems never actually having a cat-in-hell's chance of gaining power (or so he thought), poor Cleggie had simply forgotten that he might well have to share power after the election, and many previous promises would then automatically become null and void due to wholly changed circumstances.

    Clegg's now infamous promise reminds me of those shops which advertise goods at prices well below the competition but on checking they never seem to have any stock. That easy trick to entice customers into the fold is as old as the hills!

    He has only himself to blame, of course, so maybe my little bit of sympathy is misplaced, but any political naivety on his part is more than matched by those who apparently believed every word of his cloud-cuckoo-land promise in the first place.
    Last edited by Guest; 21-09-12, 16:48. Reason: those shops who ... shocking stuff.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #17
      You're absolutely right, scotty!





      ... you are the only one!
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #18
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        You're absolutely right, scotty!





        ... you are the only one!
        Oh, I don't know. Frechie has yet to chime in.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20576

          #19
          I have no sympathy with N.C. at all. I voted for his party, as I have done at every election since 1970.

          Never again though.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37876

            #20
            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            I have no sympathy with N.C. at all. I voted for his party, as I have done at every election since 1970.

            Never again though.
            His party didn't exist in 1970.

            Oh sorry - should have posted on the Pedants' thread.

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25235

              #21
              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              I have no sympathy with N.C. at all. I voted for his party, as I have done at every election since 1970.

              Never again though.
              I intend never to vote for any of the three big parties ever again.
              Well, not unless they change out of all recognition, get out of the banks' pockets and stop fighting unnecessary wars.

              (and start giving away free flexi discs.)

              Edit...not that I have ever voted for the Eton party, obviously..that really would be silly .
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • gurnemanz
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7418

                #22
                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                I intend never to vote for any of the three big parties ever again.
                I have also run out of parties to vote for. I voted Labour on one occasion in Croydon. Since moving to Wiltshire I have always voted Liberal, mainly because they have the best chance of beating the Tories down here. I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote Tory even if Boris takes over. I am allergic to UKIP and have to turn the sound off if Nigel Farage comes on. The Greens don't stand here in North Wilts.

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                • Flosshilde
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7988

                  #23
                  Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                  any political naivety on his part is more than matched by those who apparently believed every word of his cloud-cuckoo-land promise in the first place.
                  Political naivety is all very well, and excusable in the electorate - especially those who might be most interested in the fees pledge & who got him to sign it - ie students. But in the leader of a major political party? Oh, please

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                    But in the leader of a major political party? Oh, please


                    There really isn't anyone in mainstream politics to vote for i'm afraid
                    and most of the rest are deranged fantasists (UKIP et al )
                    so I guess Sturgeons law applies
                    but who is in the remaining 10% ?

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                    • Simon

                      #25
                      Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                      I think I must be the only one here who possibly has a teeny-weeny tad of sympathy for the young Right Honourable Nicholas
                      No you aren't, scotty. I have some sympathy too. I couldn't vote for his party, obviously, as they have some very silly ideas that haven't a chance of working - a bit like this one that's come back to haunt him - but I think that by joining the coalition - against the will of his party grassroots which is far more to the left than the leadership - he did what he thought was right to get the country out of the hole it had been left in. It hasn't worked well for him, and that, as you say is events (coupled with some morally wrong policy decisions by those in the conservative party who are too close to major money interests).


                      Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                      Okay, he made that silly, pie-in-the-sky promise before the election like politicians of all parties do and, being in the additional comfortable position of the Lib Dems never actually having a cat-in-hell's chance of gaining power (or so he thought)...
                      Exactly right.

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                      • scottycelt

                        #26
                        Well, young Cleggie's ever-so-humble example certainly seems to be catching on around the world ...

                        Here is an e-mail I (and no doubt many thousands of others) received yesterday from Germany:


                        Dear friends of the Digital Concert Hall,

                        Unfortunately, we made a mistake in today's newsletter. The correct date for next concert's live streaming is
                        Sunday, 23 September 2012, 8 p.m. (Berlin time)
                        We kindly ask for your forgiveness.
                        With kind regards,
                        Berlin Phil Media GmbH



                        You are forgiven but woe betide you if you do anything like that to me again, Phil from Berlin ...

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                        • amateur51

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Simon View Post
                          No you aren't, scotty. I have some sympathy too. I couldn't vote for his party, obviously, as they have some very silly ideas that haven't a chance of working - a bit like this one that's come back to haunt him - but I think that by joining the coalition - against the will of his party grassroots which is far more to the left than the leadership - he did what he thought was right to get the country out of the hole it had been left in. It hasn't worked well for him, and that, as you say is events (coupled with some morally wrong policy decisions by those in the conservative party who are too close to major money interests).
                          Ah all is revealed. Having daft ideas will be excused as long as you help to shoehorn a minority Tory government into power.

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                          • scottycelt

                            #28
                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            ... shoehorn a minority Tory government into power.
                            Amsey, you've been very poorly advised yet again, it would appear ...

                            The UK doesn't have a Tory Government, minority or majority.

                            The last election resulted in a political stalemate and a Coalition Government was formed.

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                            • amateur51

                              #29
                              Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                              Amsey, you've been very poorly advised yet again, it would appear ...

                              The UK doesn't have a Tory Government, minority or majority.

                              The last election resulted in a political stalemate and a Coalition Government was formed.
                              Would you like to buy a second-hand car, scotty?

                              Cos I'd love to sell you one

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                #30
                                Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                                Amsey, you've been very poorly advised yet again, it would appear ...

                                The UK doesn't have a Tory Government, minority or majority.

                                The last election resulted in a political stalemate and a Coalition Government was formed.

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