Christian rights cases go before Strasbourg court - a case of double standards?

[Serial_Apologist]

I am referring, of course, to a difference in gender, S_A ...

Works both ways, scotty. Despite differences in gender, my last relationship was compatible in nearly every way - which was probably the reason why it didn't last...

[Barbirollians]

The error in the first post is that Christians do not have the right to discriminate against others . If they cannot carry out a certain activity without doing so they should stop doing it . I should be amazed if any of these cases succeeded.

[Resurrection Man]

The error in the first post is that Christians do not have the right to discriminate against others . If they cannot carry out a certain activity without doing so they should stop doing it . I should be amazed if any of these cases succeeded.

I can't see anything in the first post about discrimination. Can you please explain a little more as to what you had in mind?

[MrGongGong]

I can't see anything in the first post about discrimination. Can you please explain a little more as to what you had in mind?

Surely if your job is to be a registrar then refusing to do your job because it conflicts with your beliefs is asking for the right to discriminate ?
So, if I was a hardcore vegan and I worked in a shop that decided to become a butchers would it be ok for me to refuse to have anything to do with meat ?

[Resurrection Man]

Ah, thanks, GongGong, I now see what Barbirollians was referring to. An interesting point and one that brings me back to my original point namely asking for a level laying field.

If Sainsbury's can, with impunity, move staff around so that a Muslim at the checkout can call another member of staff to handle a bottle of booze then why couldn't Islington schedule marriages so that she wasn't faced with this predicament? For a year or so, Ladele managed to avoid civil partnership ceremonies. But then two gay registrars complained and she was eventually forced to resign. Nice to have understanding non-discriminatory colleagues like that.

Her argument is that nobody has identified a legitimate aim in designating her as a civil partnership registrar. Nor has there been any analysis of whether the means Islington used to achieve its ‘dignity for all’ policy were proportionate; she says her conscientious objections could have been accommodated without any adverse effect on the service provided by the council. Far from demonstrating its commitment to diversity and equal opportunities, Islington defeated that commitment by unnecessarily excluding a committed Christian from her job......................


........Everyone should respect the rights of same-sex couples to register civil partnerships in accordance with the law. But we should also respect the rights of those with religious convictions, so long as those beliefs do not conflict with the rights of others. Surely a fair and balanced approach to both rights is not too much to ask?

Not my words but those of Joshua Rosenberg.

[amateur51]

Not my words but those of Joshua Rosenberg.

And we know who his significant other is








Submitted in a spirit of mischief

[Resurrection Man]

And we know who his significant other is








Submitted in a spirit of mischief

Sorry, ams...lost on me. Even Googling who it was I failed to get your point !

[amateur51]

Sorry, ams...lost on me. Even Googling who it was I failed to get your point !

You mean you couldn't find the answer or that you don't see the relevance of the answer?

[MrGongGong]

"level playing field" is a bit rich really when the Paulists already have a free pass to the house of Lords etc etc
These people seem just to be trying to cause trouble and create conflict where there is none
what a great example of "christianity in action"
but thank whoever that we have the ECHR .........

[teamsaint]

You mean you couldn't find the answer or that you don't see the relevance of the answer?

perhaps google have him on ignore.

[Resurrection Man]

The latter, ams

[amateur51]

The latter, ams

Regular contributor to BBC Radio 4's The Moral Maze one of Melanie Phillips' bêtes noires is identity politics generally and the conjunction where the rights of LGBT individuals and communities intersect with those of people of faith in particular.

If I were the praying type, I'd include one for Joshua Rosenberg around breakfast time most days.

[Vile Consort]

And we know who his significant other is

Wikipedia is your friend, as always: Joshua_Rozenberg

Good God! I hadn't realised. Just imagine having to put up with all those straw man and excluded middle fallacies day in, day out.

[teamsaint]

Kinda makes you wonder or think about all those "balanced" and unbiased BBC reports though, doesn't it?
Adds context. Adds backgound.

[Resurrection Man]

Partially delighted at the news from Strasbourg...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21025332 in that BA discriminated against Nadia Eweda for wearing her cross. All one asks for is a level playing field. Unfortunately the other three were not successful. And so applying the policy of level playing fields I would expect Sainsbury's and other supermarkets to not make any special dispensation for Muslims when it comes to handling alcohol.