Does anyone still use or like vinyl?

[teamsaint]

sorry to post a rather dull question on this thread, but is there evidence that commercially produced CD's have or will start to degrade any time soon?

Sorry for the dullness, and apologies if this has been posted and I missed it.

[umslopogaas]

I recall a scare shortly after CDs came on the market, to the effect that the plastic would degrade in a few years, but it proved unfounded. I've got CDs that must be over twenty years old and they seem just fine.

[Bryn]

sorry to post a rather dull question on this thread, but is there evidence that commercially produced CD's have or will start to degrade any time soon?

Sorry for the dullness, and apologies if this has been posted and I missed it.

There were serious problems with a series of productions runs at the Philips/Dupont PDO many years ago. They tried skimping on the lacquer layer which covers the reflective layer. Oxygen and sulphur compounds got in and corroded the aluminium. This was known as 'bronzing'. Similar problems have hit some cheapo CD-Rs. Other that that there have been reports of CDs in the tropics deteriorating due to some microbe or other feasting on the lacquer. In general, however, stories of imminent degrading of CDs are urban myths.

[richardfinegold]

richardfinegold, yes, this is a reversion to our tender years. Vinyl is OK, when you've finally sorted the minuscule amount of surviving good stuff from the vast oceans of wrecked dross. I still maintain that digital is superior, but it now distances you from the object. I OWN my vinyl collection, but ever increasingly I find that digital is just something you access. rather than own. And if you access on someone else's terms, what happens when they change the terms, or up the price? I prefer to have the goods on my shelves, despite the cost (and the weight).

I fully agree with all that you say. I prefer digital as well and while I have experimented with downloads and using Hard Drives as a source, I still prefer my Digital in the form of a polycarbonate disc. I just hope that they don't disappear .

[teamsaint]

This issue about ownership ,digital media, and what happens when the terms change is really important .

We need to be very careful that we do not pass control and ownership to those whom we possibly do not trust.
It is up to us to make sure that books, information, music or whatever, are retained in forms which we can, as far as possible, always access readily.
I won't get rid of my real stuff, in return for an electronic file. It's not in my interest, even if Apple do make the alternative look terribly easy and fun.
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Sorry, probably off topic, and badly expressed, but I think it's really important.

[Bryn]

I recently got a bottom of the range Onkyo TX-SR309 surround receiver to replace an old clapped out Sansui tuner-amp in the back bedroom I use for most computing and internet access. I was pleased to find that the USB port on the front of it can take a memory stick loaded not only with mp3s, but FLACs, AACs, m4as, etc. It's the most versatile such facility I have yet come across on either tuner-amp or disc player. I have yet to try it with anything higher definition than 48/16 however. Just tried a short 96/24 wav on it. Works fine.

[Stephen Smith]

Helpful page on Hyperion site about Bronzing (not linked on the site - found by a Google search)

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp

[An_Inspector_Calls]

There were serious problems with a series of productions runs at the Philips/Dupont PDO many years ago. They tried skimping on the lacquer layer which covers the reflective layer. Oxygen and sulphur compounds got in and corroded the aluminium. This was known as 'bronzing'. Similar problems have hit some cheapo CD-Rs. Other that that there have been reports of CDs in the tropics deteriorating due to some microbe or other feasting on the lacquer. In general, however, stories of imminent degrading of CDs are urban myths.

As I mentioned earlier, many labels now use CD-R. Lyrita is an example. CD-R certainly has problems with longetivity.

[Dave2002]

As I mentioned earlier, many labels now use CD-R. Lyrita is an example. CD-R certainly has problems with longetivity.

Is it obvious that CD-Rs are being used? I'm not aware of having any. Is there something on the box or CD sleeve, or on the CD?

[Bryn]

The few Lyrita CDs I have are all pressed, not burned, by Nimbus at their Wyastone Leys plant. I think the confusion may date from a period when Lyrita reissues may have been available 'on demand'. Nimbus themselves, I understand, went through such a patch when Robert Maxwell's shenanigans left them in a financial mess.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

I speak as I find. The few Lyritas I have are all recent and all CD-Rs. You can tell just by looking at them, and they don't have pressing details around the inner circle. I've also asked Lyrita about this by e-mail and they confirmed that they were using CD-R. So it's possible their life expectancy may be less than CDs that are pressed.

[clive heath]

Getting back to the opening of this thread, here is a contribution to the vinyl/CD comparison (albeit moderated by digitization). I have processed my five Karajan+Berlin Philharmonic LPs and those of you with CDs to compare can do so. I wonder if the digitization performed by the companies generally involved any manipulation of balance, levels etc. You will find Debussy "La Mer", Beethoven's 5th, Prokoviev's 5th, Mahler's 4th and Dvorak's 9th as well as some Jazz and popular song.

https://www.cliveheathmusic.co.uk/vinyl.php

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