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  • ahinton
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    • Nov 2010
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    Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
    Actually I once had the pleasure of meeting Sir Patrick ... lovely chap!
    If I'd done so, I'd have been sorely tempted to ask him what planet he thinks he's living on...

    Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
    Now I must watch the football, amsey ... hard life for we MEN, eh? ...
    Haven't you ever heard of women's football, scotty?...
    Last edited by ahinton; 02-07-12, 11:32.

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    • scottycelt

      Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
      I'm afraid that I ran out of the patience required for the latter endeavour some time ago ...
      If you add 'argument' to 'patience' you've got it it just about spot on, Flossie ...

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      • scottycelt

        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
        Haven't you ever hard of women's football, scotty?...
        I've hard of it, but never really softened to it, I'm afraid, ahinton ...

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        • scottycelt

          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
          Not while I'm around

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          • ahinton
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            • Nov 2010
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            Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
            I've hard of it, but never really softened to it, I'm afraid, ahinton ...
            OK - just curious.

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            • handsomefortune

              adorable european women:

              La Barbe is a French feminist action group who wear fake beards when protesting sexism in French public life - the BBC's Lucy Ash joins them on one of their protests.


              the benefits of hindsight, according to mr freedland

              The Tory minister fell victim to one of the BBC veteran's most gruesome maulings. PR gurus explain where she went wrong


              more acres of inches, the full transcript

              The Tory junior minister's performance on Newsnight following the government fuel tax U-turn has been widely criticised


              should interviewees be allowed to say 'please be quiet while i'm talking paxo, you ignorant bleep'? ....or maybe just shorten to: 'ignorant bleep' as a useful quick indicator? it might signal that paxo is wrecking their train of thought, and any possibility of an answer, let alone a coherent one. which adds up to two idiots, (both the interviewee and the the interviewer), usually fruitless in terms of any chance of progressive discussion.

              yet when obstruction might just usefully count, paxo instead is nice as pie...full of respect, courtesy and gratitude.

              i sometimes wonder what bamber gascoign thought of paxo's style, when pax took over quiz master of 'university challenged'. if you watch bamber, he never sneers, seems comparatively supportive, and sporting to students ....it's a quiz ultimately, where the quiz master has all the answers on cards....therefore what sort of empty victory is it to feel that sneering is appropriate?

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              • french frank
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                • Feb 2007
                • 30256

                Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                it's a quiz ultimately, where the quiz master has all the answers on cards....
                And where would Paxo be without his cards?
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Lateralthinking1

                  Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                  adorable european women:

                  La Barbe is a French feminist action group who wear fake beards when protesting sexism in French public life - the BBC's Lucy Ash joins them on one of their protests.


                  the benefits of hindsight, according to mr freedland

                  The Tory minister fell victim to one of the BBC veteran's most gruesome maulings. PR gurus explain where she went wrong


                  more acres of inches, the full transcript

                  The Tory junior minister's performance on Newsnight following the government fuel tax U-turn has been widely criticised


                  should interviewees be allowed to say 'please be quiet while i'm talking paxo, you ignorant bleep'? ....or maybe just shorten to: 'ignorant bleep' as a useful quick indicator? it might signal that paxo is wrecking their train of thought, and any possibility of an answer, let alone a coherent one. which adds up to two idiots, (both the interviewee and the the interviewer), usually fruitless in terms of any chance of progressive discussion.

                  yet when obstruction might just usefully count, paxo instead is nice as pie...full of respect, courtesy and gratitude.

                  i sometimes wonder what bamber gascoign thought of paxo's style, when pax took over quiz master of 'university challenged'. if you watch bamber, he never sneers, seems comparatively supportive, and sporting to students ....it's a quiz ultimately, where the quiz master has all the answers on cards....therefore what sort of empty victory is it to feel that sneering is appropriate?
                  Friedman and I don't tend to gel. In this case, his know-it-all approach after the event is lousy. It sticks two massive clod hoppers into some of the more delicate parts of the debate. He is also wrong. The first alternative answer wouldn't have worked because it is many words too long. And if she had managed simply to say "Today", the course of the questioning would have been different.

                  Oh no. I thought it might come to this. Time to run for cover. Paxman and I do gel. He is very intense at times but his manner with interviewees is like that of a partner in a dance. He did wait until she came up with something diffident before really snapping back. The snap would not have occurred without that put down. There was then a moment when he could see that she was really struggling and he paused. It was a slight easing off for her sake. I have watched him for decades and know the expression. He has a compassionate side but it isn't always obvious. Mainly he is there to do a job. It is largely set play which both interviewer and interviewee can comprehend almost as onlookers while simultaneously being wholeheartedly engaged. I think she knew that well enough but had been dumped so far in it by her colleagues that she couldn't find that distance. As for University Challenge, I found BG wet which is not at all the same as soft-hearted. Paxman harangues but it is mainly humour and it chimes well with college life.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
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                    Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                    'university challenged'




                    (You did mean to write that, I presume, hsf?

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
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                      Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
                      Paxman harangues but it is mainly humour and it chimes well with college life.
                      In the pub, maybe ...
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
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                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        In the pub, maybe ...
                        Methinks Lat hath a slightly recherche image of campus life, ff. He could be right of course, for all I would know.

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                        • french frank
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                          • Feb 2007
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                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Methinks Lat hath a slightly recherche image of campus life, ff. He could be right of course, for all I would know.
                          Well, I never sneered at students. It was more like: Yes, that's an interesting point. Or again, I suppose another way of looking at it might be ...
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Well, I never sneered at students. It was more like: Yes, that's an interesting point. Or again, I suppose another way of looking at it might be ...
                            If there is a St Peter at the Pearly Gates, I would hope that his first question to Paxo would be, "Well, Jeremy, with all the cleverness you had to dispose in that life, what did you ever do, in public, to make someone else either feel other than patronised or humiliated?"

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                            • ahinton
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              If there is a St Peter at the Pearly Gates, I would hope that his first question to Paxo would be, "Well, Jeremy, with all the cleverness you had to dispose in that life, what did you ever do, in public, to make someone else either feel other than patronised or humiliated?"
                              And his answer might well be "well, you should perhaps think yourself fortunate that you weren't interviewed by me yourself - and anyway, as heaven's mere gamekeeper turned pearly gatekeeper, what right or expertise do you suppose that you might have to interview me, a man of peace by both name and nature?"

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                              • Lateralthinking1

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Well, I never sneered at students. It was more like: Yes, that's an interesting point. Or again, I suppose another way of looking at it might be ...


                                Laurie Taylor was frequently holding forth in the Charles XII so I suppose that came into it somewhere. Not that I was in his inner circle, even having listened in the 1970s to umpteen editions of Stop The Week.

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