Well, we all have different opinions on people handsomefortune. I too am for mild manners and modesty but Bamber didn't really epitomise those traits for me. His style was more like 'two brains' David Willetts and I think you might find he belonged to ITV.
I fully agree with Jean when she refers to Ann Leslie as a 'character'. That is another category of people I tend to like. Views that I would normally find unpalatable are quite ok with me if they emanate from characters, particularly if they have some personality. Why else be entertained by, say, David Starkey? It helps of course if they are relatively harmless in themselves and have equally feisty opponents. Even MPs have their egg and chips in the company of those whose views are different from their own.
I thought the Ann Leslie pieces were quite helpful for introducing a few shades into the black and white arguments. When asked in the clip if she were a feminist, her answer was 'it depends'. She has quite contradictory thoughts which I find interesting. She is adept at pointing out the weaknesses in many men but also argues that she as a professional woman has stood up to their strengths. She thinks that women need to choose between family and profession unless they can afford to do otherwise. She believes in equal mortgage rights but not equal top pay. She is less critical of certain kinds of women than the feminist Tanya Gold even though it is the latter who would promote the idea of 'sisterhood'. And she gets on well with an essentially likeable, knowledgeable and insightful ex Trot who for reasons presumably only known to himself has recently sold his soul to Sky Arts.
I think Leslie is completely wrong in many of her views. There is though something to be said for depicting a number of men who have solid reputations or are in powerful systemic roles as pretty feeble for that is what some tend to be. She can also see that simply being male, whether strong or weak, isn't necessarily an automatic entry into the old boy network. The majority of men are excluded from the privileges of the elites, just as are the majority of women. Ultimately whoever is doing the talking, feminism emerges first and foremost as an economic phenomenon. You might disagree but, for what it's worth, that is how it seems to me.
I fully agree with Jean when she refers to Ann Leslie as a 'character'. That is another category of people I tend to like. Views that I would normally find unpalatable are quite ok with me if they emanate from characters, particularly if they have some personality. Why else be entertained by, say, David Starkey? It helps of course if they are relatively harmless in themselves and have equally feisty opponents. Even MPs have their egg and chips in the company of those whose views are different from their own.
I thought the Ann Leslie pieces were quite helpful for introducing a few shades into the black and white arguments. When asked in the clip if she were a feminist, her answer was 'it depends'. She has quite contradictory thoughts which I find interesting. She is adept at pointing out the weaknesses in many men but also argues that she as a professional woman has stood up to their strengths. She thinks that women need to choose between family and profession unless they can afford to do otherwise. She believes in equal mortgage rights but not equal top pay. She is less critical of certain kinds of women than the feminist Tanya Gold even though it is the latter who would promote the idea of 'sisterhood'. And she gets on well with an essentially likeable, knowledgeable and insightful ex Trot who for reasons presumably only known to himself has recently sold his soul to Sky Arts.
I think Leslie is completely wrong in many of her views. There is though something to be said for depicting a number of men who have solid reputations or are in powerful systemic roles as pretty feeble for that is what some tend to be. She can also see that simply being male, whether strong or weak, isn't necessarily an automatic entry into the old boy network. The majority of men are excluded from the privileges of the elites, just as are the majority of women. Ultimately whoever is doing the talking, feminism emerges first and foremost as an economic phenomenon. You might disagree but, for what it's worth, that is how it seems to me.
- I have you down more as an escritoire 
it's all very modern - we are probably too old skool to understand, after all there aren't many older people in the uk...just youngsters, and they know how to do things best. not like the old ways..that didn't work because they were old. 
telling fibs that's young, and cool, and gr8 for chillaxing, as are total contradictions. yeah!
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