Simon Bolivar Orchestra live at Stirling - BBC4

[Flosshilde]

Is that your religion speaking, Scotty?

In using the term I was thinking of the sort of 'life skills' we take for granted - being able to concentrate on something, being reasonably socially confident, able to work with other people, have a positive attitude to life, determination to succeed, a sense of community. I know that most - all? - people will be unlikely to experience all those all the time, but most of us (& I mean us on the board) realise that we will experience most of those most of the time; hopefully the Big Noise project will help people in Raploch to believe that they will as well.

[scottycelt]

Is that your religion speaking, Scotty?.

About just as much as your very own atheistic socialism speaks for you, I suspect, Flossie ....

us[/I] (& I mean us on the board) realise that we will experience most of those most of the time; hopefully the Big Noise project will help people in Raploch to believe that they will as well.

I agree with very much of that, which is why I support ( and am delighted by) the whole idea of the marvellous project ..

[amateur51]

About just as much as your very own atheistic socialism speaks for you, I suspect, Flossie ....

Not exactly two comparable states, would you say scotty?

[scottycelt]

Not exactly two comparable states, would you say scotty?

Well if you were to say the North Pole is not exactly comparable to the South Pole, I would feel reluctantly obliged to concur, amsey ...

[amateur51]

Well if you were to say the North Pole is not exactly comparable to the South Pole, I would feel reluctantly obliged to concur, amsey ...

I was thinking more along the lines of one having been arrived at by a rational adult while the other was imposed on a child by adults in positions of power, although I'm sure it's been tried and not found wanting since

[scottycelt]

I was thinking more along the lines of one having been arrived at by a rational adult while the other was imposed on a child by adults in positions of power, although I'm sure it's been tried and not found wanting since

Exactly, amsey ... poles apart, yet so similar!!

[amateur51]

Exactly, amsey ... poles apart, yet so similar!!

Really?

Would you like to buy a second-hand car, scotty?

Cos I'd love to sell you one

[Flosshilde]

I was thinking more along the lines of one having been arrived at by a rational adult while the other was imposed on a child by adults in positions of power, although I'm sure it's been tried and not found wanting since

Hang on a minute - who are you calling a rational adult?

[handsomefortune]

hang on a minute, do i gather that having dumped all your angst at mr gong's gong's door, nobody actually watched the live stream from the bauble arts centre?

[Nick Armstrong]

I've replied on the other thread about the London concerts - on the South Bank in fact, not at the Barbican

[handsomefortune]

thanks caliban!

What exactly has that got to do with it? Of the community projects you referenced in your links, Community Music in England has a grant from ACE of £180,000, CM Wales has a variety of funding including ACW, the Welsh assembly, the European Social Fund etc. Or perhaps you think that the Big Noise project is in some way a sinister scheme of the 'effing tories and their handbag carriers', which would be rather strange as it is directly derived from a community project in an ostensibly 'socialist' country, Venezuela, and as a project in a Scottish district, does not come under the control of the Westminster government. Are you suggesting that no community music project that does not conform with your own ideas of community music-making should be supported, even though there seem to be pretty strong social and musical benefits in the Raploch scheme?

what has come over (the normally rational) aeolium?

'effing tories and their handbag carriers', even arch arts professional, jude kelly, was willing to hint at this problem, and publicly, as regards this central issue, during 'the southbank' interval ....it's hardly 'of mr gong gong's making'? (apparently, beethoven would be chuffed i posted as much..(to my ears) he was good tonight...in particular)!

[Flosshilde]

what has come over (the normally rational) aeolium?

'effing tories and their handbag carriers', even arch arts professional, jude kelly, was willing to hint at this problem, and publicly, as regards this central issue, during 'the southbank' interval ....it's hardly 'of mr gong gong's making'? (apparently, beethoven would be chuffed i posted as much..(to my ears) he was good tonight...in particular)!

Try reading this bit again, handsomefortune -

perhaps you think that the Big Noise project is in some way a sinister scheme of the 'effing tories and their handbag carriers', which would be rather strange as it is directly derived from a community project in an ostensibly 'socialist' country, Venezuela, and as a project in a Scottish district, does not come under the control of the Westminster government. - ie has nothing to do with tories & handbag carriers. Westminster isn't the centre of everything, & its education & social policies are irrelevant to Scotland (apart from acting as a model not to be followed).

I doubt if Jude Kelly, nor the South Bank audience, realise that Scotland's government makes its own path, & doesn't follow that set out by Gove.

[amateur51]

Hang on a minute - who are you calling a rational adult?

It's all relative, Flossie - usually on your mother's side

[handsomefortune]

perhaps you think that the Big Noise project is in some way a sinister scheme of the 'effing tories and their handbag carriers,

where does mr gong gong actually say this though?

[Northender]

(Oh dear ... they're still at it ....)
(I enjoyed the fireworks, by the way - those at the end of the concert).