Misunderstood/neglected/ignored conductors

[Alison]

Good summary of bazza from Ferney.

[cloughie]

Good summary of bazza from Ferney.

I like his NQHO recordings of Wagner and Vaughan Williams and his Wise Virgins ballet music which is extended more than usual and a good vw Job with the Philharmonia.

[EdgeleyRob]

I could never understand John Drummonds dismissal of Ted Downes. A cd set of his best off air radio recordings would be be a veritable feast!

He championed George Lloyd so he'll do for me.

[Beef Oven]

He championed George Lloyd so he'll do for me.

Egg wetter gree! Edward Downes is the perfect example of the reason for my starting this thread

[Pabmusic]

Yes; he conducted quite a few of the Brighton Philharmonic concerts in the Dome on Sunday afternoons at that time, too. Functional, respectable, decent ... can't complain, but not in the same league as Morris, Handley, Sinopoli or even Hurst IMO. And not really "misunderstood/neglected/ignored"; he's still quite busy.

... Ted Downes, John Pritchard, Charles Groves, Alexander Gibson or James Loughran on the other hand ...

There've always been good, reliable, seemingly uncomplaining conductors, who should have better recognition. Basil Cameron, George Weldon and Lawrence Collingwood; Dan Godfrey and Landon Ronald (these latter two were knighted, but left very few recordings).

Downes, Pritchard, Groves and Gibson did get knighthoods, of course. Pritchard and Gibson (and Norman del Mar) just died too young.

[Ariosto]

Down the years I have been mystified about the take on certain conductors.

How does a huge talent such as Barry Wordsworth slip by unnoticed?

I've played under Wordsworth and he is in my opinion pretty uninspiring. He can do a passable job and get by.

Louis Fremaux has also been mentioned. He was OK, and I worked with him too, but not really memorable. There are very few that are.

[Beef Oven]

I've played under Wordsworth and he is in my opinion pretty uninspiring. He can do a passable job and get by.

Louis Fremaux has also been mentioned. He was OK, and I worked with him too, but not really memorable. There are very few that are.

It's always interesting to get feedback from musicians who have played under the maestro in question. What you say about Wordsworth is almost a recommendation in comparison with what Philharmonia players have said about Sinopoli!!

[amateur51]

I could never understand John Drummonds dismissal of Ted Downes. A cd set of his best off air radio recordings would be be a veritable feast!

Seconded!

[Beef Oven]

Seconded!

I already did that in post #34. Keep up amsy!!

[Bryn]

After Decca had finished with the recordings licensed from Delyse/ Oiseau-Lyre, Isabella Wallisch (sp?) their founder licensed many of them to Pickwick/ IMP Classics who for some reason marked up the CDs as DDD despite their 1960s/70s provenance. As a trading standards officer I successfully prosecuted them for this under the late-lamented Trade Descriptions Act - this was even mentioned in Gramophone!

I've an idea that Pickwick later went bust. Dunno whether the tapes formed any part of their disposable assets or whether the rights reverted to Wallisch or her heirs. I would suspect the latter.

As a collector the recording that I first noticed was the Wyn Morris/ Janet Baker Mahler Wunderhorn songs - and just thought the DDD must be just a random accident. Then I spotted they were all like it - the Caballe Debussy/ Chausson disc and the Morris Klagende Lied were others that figured in my inquiries and are still on my shelves. A colleague in another authority had spotted the same misdescription on the Wyn Morris Bruckner Helgoland/ Wagner Liebesmahl der Aposteln CD and drawn it to the company's attention previously - so clearly a very cuwtured sorta bloke yer avridge TSO!

I have some of those Pickwick 'DDD' CD issues and am decidedly grateful to Pickwick for issuing them. I has assumed that the "DDD" as a simple oversight in the packaging design process, rather than a concious attempt to deceive.

I treasure a "DAD" CD of some Messiaen organ music (recorded on DAT, with post-production on a big analogue set-up IIRC).

[amateur51]

I already did that in post #34. Keep up amsy!!

Oi!

This is Saturday morning!

Before 08:00

There's an armistice on this sort of 'cleverness'' at this hour, surely?

[salymap]

Does anyone remember John Hollingsworth ? What happened to him ?

[Beef Oven]

Oi!

This is Saturday morning!

Before 08:00

There's an armistice on this sort of 'cleverness'' at this hour, surely?

Ok, but get some coffee down yer gullet and be ready by 9.00!

[mercia]

Does anyone remember John Hollingsworth ? What happened to him ?

if I have the right gentleman [I think I have] he died in 1963 [aged 47]

[Beef Oven]

Does anyone remember John Hollingsworth ? What happened to him ?

Do you mean this chap?

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/film-music/111701-hammer-music-director-john-hollingsworth.html