The Queen's Jubilee

[amateur51]

It could be an argument for any one or any combination or indeed all of those things, but it would inevitably be a different argument for each such individual.


Indeed; what I stated was obvious IS obvious, even if individual reactions thereto might be less so and far more diverse.


In terms of the four possible arguments that you put forward (and I certainly cannot begin to answer your question in or on any other terms!), I do intend to leave the country (though not particularly on account of any sense of party political disenfranchisement), I do not intend to start or participate in a revolution, I have no plans to create or participate in a new political party and I ignore politics under the current system more or less to the extent that they ignore me; I cannot say more than that in answer to your question, so I hope that this will suffice for you!

Oh whatever happened to the appreciation of hyperbole?

[MrGongGong]

from a purely sonic standpoint the loon wins hands down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHXb9hspt4

[amateur51]

from a purely sonic standpoint the loon wins hands down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHXb9hspt4

What a wonderful sound

I had a bullfinch for the very first time in my garden yesterday and it made a rather strange sound too

[scottycelt]

... I had a bullfinch for the very first time in my garden yesterday ...

Well, it appears to have finally arrived at its correct destination ...

[JohnSkelton]

What I am trying (but obviously failing miserably) to say is that those who decide not to vote, and then moan about the government that is elected, are hardly deserving of any sympathy whatsoever from those who have at least taken the trouble to cast a vote, whatever the result?

We certainly might have a fellow-feeling and sympathy for those who do take the trouble to vote yet end up on the losing side ... but then that's happened to all of us, and we just accept it and 'get on with it', don't we?

if you fall into any of the categories below, you have no UK party to vote for who will act in your interest (none that has a realistic chance of obtaining any power under FPTP, anyway – sorry, Greens). Neither Labour, the Tories or the Lib Dems are even promising to do anything for you, never mind actually intending to.

Even if you live in one of the 20% of Westminster constituencies where there’s a remote chance of the seat changing hands at any given election, your vote is a hollow pantomime if any of the statements below applies to you.

"I'm A Tenant
"I'm A Student
“I’m Unemployed/Poor/Ill/Disabled
"I'm Anti-War"
"I'm Anti-Nuclear Deterrent"
"I Believe in More Equable Distribution of Wealth"
"I Don't Like Being Powerless"

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-wrong-lizards/

[Lateralthinking1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHXb9hspt4 - What a wonderful sound

[cloughie]

What a wonderful sound

I had a bullfinch for the very first time in my garden yesterday and it made a rather strange sound too

...but what a beautiful bird, lovely plumeage!

[scottycelt]

if you fall into any of the categories below, you have no UK party to vote for who will act in your interest (none that has a realistic chance of obtaining any power under FPTP, anyway – sorry, Greens). Neither Labour, the Tories or the Lib Dems are even promising to do anything for you, never mind actually intending to.

Even if you live in one of the 20% of Westminster constituencies where there’s a remote chance of the seat changing hands at any given election, your vote is a hollow pantomime if any of the statements below applies to you.

"I'm A Tenant
"I'm A Student
“I’m Unemployed/Poor/Ill/Disabled
"I'm Anti-War"
"I'm Anti-Nuclear Deterrent"
"I Believe in More Equable Distribution of Wealth"
"I Don't Like Being Powerless"


http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-wrong-lizards/

Of course you might also have typed:

I am Anti-Abortion
I am Against Secular Fascism
I am Intensely Irritated by the Culture of Political Correctness
I Strongly Favour the Death Penalty For Murder
I Think Rupert Murdoch Should Be Knighted For Services To UK Media
I Adore Nick Clegg And Think He Should Be Prime Minister
I Believe In A United States of Europe
I Want Gordon Brown Back As Labour Leader
I Think Richard Dawkins Should Be Arrested For Inciting Hatred Against Religious Groups.
I Don't Like Being Powerless.

Now before there are any further 'misunderstandings' I am not necessarily aligning myself with all of the above statements ... I merely provide them as examples where a feeling of 'powerlessness' can be a pretty common experience.

However, to suggest that denying oneself the power of a vote at a General Election, due to any feeling of 'powerlessness' itself, I find equally odd in return. It smacks to me rather like a child crying 'I'm not playing anymore ..', when it sees little chance of winning at a game.

Not much chance of winning at anything with such a self-destructive attitude ..?

However, aren't we ever so slightly off-topic here ... ?

[JohnSkelton]

Of course you might also have typed:

I am Anti-Abortion
I am Against Secular Fascism
I am Intensely Irritated by the Culture of Political Correctness
I Strongly Favour the Death Penalty For Murder
I Think Rupert Murdoch Should Be Knighted For Services To UK Media
I Adore Nick Clegg And Think He Should Be Prime Minister
I Believe In A United States of Europe
I Want Gordon Brown Back As Labour Leader
I Think Richard Dawkins Should Be Arrested For Inciting Hatred Against Religious Groups.
I Don't Like Being Powerless.

Now before there are any further 'misunderstandings' I am not necessarily aligning myself with all of the above statements ... I merely provide them as examples where a feeling of 'powerlessness' can be a pretty common experience.

However, to suggest that denying oneself the power of a vote at a General Election, due to any feeling of 'powerlessness' itself, I find equally odd in return. It smacks to me rather like a child crying 'I'm not playing anymore ..', when it sees little chance of winning at a game.

Not much chance of winning at anything with such a self-destructive attitude ..?

However, aren't we ever so slightly off-topic here ... ?

I might, but only if I confused having a personal viewpoint with belonging to a trans-personal category of people (tenants, students, the unemployed, people on low incomes, people who are ill, people who are disabled).

Or if I confused having a bee in my bonnet and didn't know what the word fascism meant with a mass of people being powerless to influence the country of which they are supposedly citizens committing vast resources and large numbers of fellow citizens to the task of killing people in other countries.

Or if I confused a feeling of powerlessness over specific issues with being, in reality, powerless.

But since I'm not confused, no, I mightn't have.

[amateur51]

The Dook Goes Home For His Birthday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18384457

[scottycelt]

I might, but only if I confused having a personal viewpoint with belonging to a trans-personal category of people (tenants, students, the unemployed, people on low incomes, people who are ill, people who are disabled).

Or if I confused having a bee in my bonnet and didn't know what the word fascism meant with a mass of people being powerless to influence the country of which they are supposedly citizens committing vast resources and large numbers of fellow citizens to the task of killing people in other countries.

Or if I confused a feeling of powerlessness over specific issues with being, in reality, powerless.

But since I'm not confused, no, I mightn't have.

I'm delighted to read that you are not confused, that, at least, makes one of us!

You clearly view humanity in terms of 'groups' whilst I prefer to seem them as 'individuals'. Belonging to a particular 'group' does not mean that they all share the same life experiences, thoughts or opinions, and, of course most of us will have belonged to some of these groups if not all, including ruling politicians themselves!

I'm not aware that there are no politicians prepared to speak out on behalf of the particular groups you mention. Whether they actually deliver on their promises when elected is another matter altogether, and that is surely a reflection of human frailty rather than any major fault in the political system itself ? That is why I totally fail to see your point regarding vote 'abstention'.

Not for the first time I feel it might be better for the two of us to simply agree to differ. when we are clearly and obviously never going to agree on anything else ... so I'll bow out now and let others discuss The Queen's Jubilee!

[Flosshilde]

& let me say that I am thoroughly pleased about his recovery.

[JohnSkelton]

You clearly view humanity in terms of 'groups' whilst I prefer to seem them as 'individuals'. Belonging to a particular 'group' does not mean that they all share the same life experiences, thoughts or opinions

Once upon a time:

Factory owner: "By 'eck, I'm only making 500% profit on't my investment. This won't do. I'll cut t'workers wages and to 'ell with work floor safety. If they fall into machines I can always diversify into sausages."

Workers: "Oh dear. Perhaps we should form a union to fight this?"

Scottycelt (for it is he): "I'd rather approach Mr Gradgrind as an 'individual'. I'm sure he'll be more interested in my personal life experiences, thoughts or opinions, than some 'group'. Hello Mr Gradgrind! My name is Scottycelt and ...."

Gradgrind laughs horribly and all the dogs howl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmw2R10slH0&feature=relmfu

... so I'll bow out now and let others discuss The Queen's Jubilee!

OK .

[MrGongGong]

so I'll bow out now and let others discuss The Queen's Jubilee!

If you watched this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s81jw

you might (like me) think that this one is sadly lacking in counterculture energy ?

[amateur51]

Once upon a time:

Factory owner: "By 'eck, I'm only making 500% profit on't my investment. This won't do. I'll cut t'workers wages and to 'ell with work floor safety. If they fall into machines I can always diversify into sausages."

Workers: "Oh dear. Perhaps we should form a union to fight this?"

Scottycelt (for it is he): "I'd rather approach Mr Gradgrind as an 'individual'. I'm sure he'll be more interested in my personal life experiences, thoughts or opinions, than some 'group'. Hello Mr Gradgrind! My name is Scottycelt and ...."

Gradgrind laughs horribly and all the dogs howl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmw2R10slH0&feature=relmfu

OK .

Grand post, js

And a Grand Series, Brass