The off-topic YMotY thread

[Guest]

As they do with all children's education. It's not all about wealth or talent, though certainly the latter is necessary.

A masterly analysis by the Brian Walden Professor of Stating the Obvious

Is he being paid for this?

[Mr Pee]

She also goes to a comprehensive school so three extra cheers for her !

How incredibly patronising; and what on earth has that got to do with it??

[amateur51]

How incredibly patronising; and what on earth has that got to do with it??

Do you follow any contemporary debates outside F1 and Fish Collecting, Pee?

Even Michael Gove has latched on to the fact that in our society people who attend private schools disproportonately win the prizes, in competitions, in jobs, in life-chances etc.

Here we have a talented young woman who has beaten that trend but of course it zooms straight over the top of your head.

[MrGongGong]

Do you follow any contemporary debates outside F1 and Fish Collecting, Pee?

Even Michael Gove has latched on to the fact that in our society people who attend private schools disproportonately win the prizes, in competitions, in jobs, in life-chances etc.

Here we have a talented young woman who has beaten that trend but of course it zooms straight over the top of your head.

Here's one for the Pee-ster

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa051302a.htm?terms=indoor+flying+object

[Mr Pee]

Do you follow any contemporary debates outside F1 and Fish Collecting, Pee?

Even Michael Gove has latched on to the fact that in our society people who attend private schools disproportonately win the prizes, in competitions, in jobs, in life-chances etc.

Here we have a talented young woman who has beaten that trend but of course it zooms straight over the top of your head.

Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that they are better educated at such establishments than in our state schools. But of course you see it as some sort of class conspiracy. The failing is in the state education system. You can hardly blame employers for choosing the best people for the job. If that's dispropotionate, so be it. Or perhaps you'd rather introduce quotas, so that a certain number of mediocre candidates are awarded prizes or given jobs even though they can barely string a coherent sentence together or play a C Major scale.

Would that suit you?

[MrGongGong]

You can hardly blame employers for choosing the best people for the job. :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zxer2QU4Xz8/T1fg0CfetlI/AAAAAAAAA24/Bptn9Xr17ZU/s1600/cameron-bullingdon-club.jpg

all very meritocratic i'm sure

[amateur51]

Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that they are better educated at such establishments than in our state schools. But of course you see it as some sort of class conspiracy. The failing is in the state education system. You can hardly blame employers for choosing the best people for the job. If that's dispropotionate, so be it. Or perhaps you'd rather introduce quotas, so that a certain number of mediocre candidates are awarded prizes or given jobs even though they can barely string a coherent sentence together or play a C Major scale.

Would that suit you?

You were very rude to Barbirollians, Mr Pee and I attempted to explain why I thought that he was right.

As usual you have chosen to pick up the wrong end of the stick, because that suits your purpose, and now you're waving it triumphally around your head.

It simply isn't worth engaging with you.

[MrGongGong]

You were very rude to Barbirollians, Mr Pee and I attempted to explain why I thought that he was right.

As usual you have chosen to pick up the wrong end of the stick, because that suits your purpose, and now you're waving it triumphally around your head.

It simply isn't worth engaging with you.

Don't give up Ams

It's all "received wisdom" anyway (i'e based on what ?)

He's waving the stick in homage to Ligeti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOuQPZqcEbk

love the Portsmouth Sinfonia version of Strauss (should I be worried that I recognised it immediately ? but failed to notice that the fiddle player I kicked out of the room in Verbier a few years ago was Vengerov ?......... he was very cool .................)

[Mr Pee]

You were very rude to Barbirollians, Mr Pee and I attempted to explain why I thought that he was right.

As usual you have chosen to pick up the wrong end of the stick, because that suits your purpose, and now you're waving it triumphally around your head.

It simply isn't worth engaging with you.

How have I pcked up the wrong end of the stick? I think it is precisely the same end of the same stick that you first picked up. You were the one who dragged in the whole question of privately educated individuals getting better jobs etc., etc.,, and I responded as to why that might be the case. You and your Guardian reading chums see it as some sort of class based conspiracy, I see it as simply a result of the fact that private education generally produces better educated indviduals, who therefore go on to do better in life.

You may not like it, but that's the way of the world.

[Simon]

How have I pcked up the wrong end of the stick? I think it is precisely the same end of the same stick that you first picked up.

You didn't, and it was a fair answer to the point he was making. But that's what upset him. He's so easy to knock down, which is why instead of making detailed comments he just jeers and drops in with one-liners.

You were the one who dragged in the whole question of privately educated individuals getting better jobs etc., etc.,, and I responded as to why that might be the case. ... I see it as simply a result of the fact that private education generally produces better educated indviduals, who therefore go on to do better in life.

What annoys them is not that you are right - they know you are - but that it happens. They don't believe that anybody has the right to get on better than anybody else due to having some money to spare to increase their chances. The problem comes, of course, with how they have obtained their money - and it's the big, age-old problem with the philosophy of equality + socialism to the wire and it's the dilemma that nobody who supports blind socialism has ever solved, because it isn't solvable.

[amateur51]

How have I pcked up the wrong end of the stick? I think it is precisely the same end of the same stick that you first picked up. You were the one who dragged in the whole question of privately educated individuals getting better jobs etc., etc.,, and I responded as to why that might be the case. You and your Guardian reading chums see it as some sort of class based conspiracy, I see it as simply a result of the fact that private education generally produces better educated indviduals, who therefore go on to do better in life.

You may not like it, but that's the way of the world.

My Guardian-reading chums, issit?

What about the Secretary of State for Education?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/may/10/michael-gove-public-school-domination?newsfeed=true

[amateur51]

You didn't, and it was a fair answer to the point he was making. But that's what upset him. He's so easy to knock down, which is why instead of making detailed comments he just jeers and drops in with one-liners.



What annoys them is not that you are right - they know you are - but that it happens. They don't believe that anybody has the right to get on better than anybody else due to having some money to spare to increase their chances. The problem comes, of course, with how they have obtained their money - and it's the big, age-old problem with the philosophy of equality + socialism to the wire and it's the dilemma that nobody who supports blind socialism has ever solved, because it isn't solvable.

You can't possibly know what I think Simon cos you've had me on 'Ignore' for years, such is your capacity for debate

[MrGongGong]

What annoys them is not that you are right - they know you are - but that it happens. They don't believe that anybody has the right to get on better than anybody else due to having some money to spare to increase their chances. The problem comes, of course, with how they have obtained their money - and it's the big, age-old problem with the philosophy of equality + socialism to the wire and it's the dilemma that nobody who supports blind socialism has ever solved, because it isn't solvable.

Same old Simon, same old sh**e
Surely the folk on benefits you were helping taught you something ?
and what on earth has "socialism" got to do with it ?

but the best bit my chums is this ........."due to having some money to spare to increase their chances."

I guess Cameron and his mates just had families with "some money to spare", makes it sound like a benign uncle paying for the sprogs piano lessons

[Mr Pee]

Same old Simon, same old sh**e

There we go. Childish abuse. In the absence of a coherent argument, just resort to mud-slinging. Sadly it's what I have some to expect.

[amateur51]

There we go. Childish abuse. In the absence of a coherent argument, just resort to mud-slinging. Sadly it's what I have some to expect.

You do the same, Pee - just in a different way