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[Lateralthinking1]

I haven't quite got the radio voice of this guy. Still, I recognise my accent more in his than I do in most people who on the wireless. This is the South East of England between la-di-da and aw-gor-blimey. It is increasingly rare to find one in real life, let alone on the BBC and in commercial broadcasting.

One of the things that I particularly enjoyed about living in North Yorkshire was that class background and accent seemed less obviously linked. Class was revealed more to me in manner. I recognise that a northerner would probably see this as naive. By the way, the guy in the link originally came from Hackney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLzNsXcvft0

[Mary Chambers]

Stephanie McGovern, for example, gives us North-westerners a bad name. I can understand her, as I was brought up in an area where everyone spoke like that. But on television, it's cringeworthy.

I agree that it's cringeworthy, but she doesn't come from the north-west. She's from Middlesbrough in Teesside. I looked her up because I was having difficulty with her accent. I thought she was talking about a new law, but it was actually a 'new low'.

[mangerton]

And thanks, Lat, for writing "different from"....

Indeed. Rarely seen or heard nowadays.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I haven't quite got the radio voice of this guy. Still, I recognise my accent more in his than I do in most people who on the wireless. This is the South East of England between la-di-da and aw-gor-blimey. It is increasingly rare to find one in real life, let alone on the BBC and in commercial broadcasting.

Not dissimilar to the great Tom Robinson, to my Northern ears.

[jayne lee wilson]

Barney Ronay in the Guardian today on Roy Hodgson:

"...He is a very likeable man, with a lovely voice reminiscent of a plummy shakespearean actor of the 1960s playing the kind of silk-hatted gangster who says things like "here, not so fast, sonny jim". Very funny piece, q.v...

[Jonathan]

The recent speech fad that seems to be effecting people is the pronouciation of words such as "performance" with an extra "r" in them, giving "prerformance". Maybe it's just my hearing but I find it extremely irritating...

[salymap]

Not dissimilar to the great Tom Robinson, to my Northern ears.

Yes Tom has got a nice voice, pity he's mostly on the radio in the middle of the night. I also really like
John Humphrys' voice with a slight trace of an accent.

[jayne lee wilson]

Charles Tomlinson "Class" from "the way in" (OUP 1974)

"Those midland a's
once cost me a job:
diction defeated my best efforts-
I was secretary at the time
to the author of The Craft of Fiction.
That title was full of class.
You had only to open your mouth on it
to show where you were born
and where you belonged. I tried
time and again I tried
but I couldn't make it
that top A - ah
I should say-
it sounded like gargling.
I too visibly shredded his fineness:
it was clear the job couldn't last
and it didn't. Still, I'd always thought him an ass
which he pronounced arse. There's no accounting for taste."

took me an' me gyp 'and bloody 'alf an hour to write that! Sacrifices ah mehk for you lot!

But I suppose I'm rather, you know, accentless now, darlings...
or just too bloody-mindedly individual to ever pick one up.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Charles Tomlinson "Class" from "the way in" (OUP 1974)

"Those midland a's
once cost me a job:
diction defeated my best efforts-
I was secretary at the time
to the author of The Craft of Fiction.
That title was full of class.
You had only to open your mouth on it
to show where you were born
and where you belonged. I tried
time and again I tried
but I couldn't make it
that top A - ah
I should say-
it sounded like gargling.
I too visibly shredded his fineness:
it was clear the job couldn't last
and it didn't. Still, I'd always thought him an ass
which he pronounced arse. There's no accounting for taste."

took me an' me gyp 'and bloody 'alf an hour to write that! Sacrifices ah mehk for you lot!

But I suppose I'm rather, you know, accentless now, darlings...
or just too bloody-mindedly individual to ever pick one up.

..and thank you indeedd for doing so


Steve Bell is a master of capturing an accent in the spelling of it in his strip cartoons ...

[vinteuil]

And thanks, Lat, for writing "different from"....

As HW Fowler put it - " That different can only be followed by from and not by to is a SUPERSTITION. Not only is to 'found in writers of all ages' (OED); the principle on which it is rejected (You do not say differ to; therefore you cannot say different to) involves a hasty and ill-defined generalization. Is it all derivatives, or derivative adjectives that were once participles, or actual participles, that must conform to the construction of their parent verbs? It is true of the last only; we cannot say differing to; but that leaves different out in the cold. If it is all derivatives, why do we say accordingly, agreeably, and pursuant, to instructions, when we have to say this accords with, agrees with, or pursues, instructions? If derivative adjectives, why derogatory to, inconceivable to, in contrast with derogates from, not to be conceived by ? If ex-participles, why do pleases, suffices, defies, me go each its own way, and yield pleasant to, sufficient for, and defiant of, me ? The fact is that the objections to different to, like those to averse to, sympathy for, and compare to, are mere pedantries. This does not imply that different from is wrong; on the contrary, it is 'now usual' (OED); but it is only so owing to the dead set made against different to by mistaken critics."

'A Dictionary of Modern English Usage' , 1927 edition.

[JFLL]

Speech impediment? A lot of kids are going to be at the mercy of bullies this day and forever more as a result of this crass headline. He's a Londoner isn't he? It's common (in the literal sense ) for us to pwonounce our Rs as Ws. It was one of the things they managed to electrocute out of me so I could take the role of Pwide in the 7 Deadly Sins aged 11.

Sorry, SA, I didn't mean to be judgemental, and would just define a speech impediment as a a difficulty in pronouncing a sound usually produced by other members of a person's speech community. Rhotacism (the term used by speech therapists, I think) certainly doesn't at all get in the way of communication like a case of really severe stammering. If it was usual to pronounce an 'r'as a 'w' in a particular place – Croydon, in Roy Hodgson's case – it wouldn't be classed as an 'impediment' (perhaps a more neutral term is now used, or should be used?). But surely rhotacism isn't a common feature today of Londoners' speech? (I hadn't really noticed, by the way, that Roy Hodgson didn't pronounce his 'r's, until some journalists decided it disqualified him from managing the England team )

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

There are other opinions similar from Fowler's.

[Bryn]

Well, I can still hear John Humphry's[sic] Welshness! But, to disapprove of regional accents does smack of nobility v the serfs!

I was not previously aware of your greengrocer credentials, Anna.

[Anna]

I was not previously aware of your greengrocer credentials, Anna.

She was only a grocers' daughter ..... Very good Bryn!

[vinteuil]

I have a long-standing issue with posh people dropping the "e" in the word "geography".

I am so sad this is a problem for you.