Pedants' Paradise

[french frank]

... I think amplification is indeed something that is required to make the sentence a bit more comfortable. To my ears it is painfully elliptic. I think it is saying something along the lines of -

‘Bath council encourages busking as being [something that is] appreciated by casual tourists’

Ha! Just a moment (don't go away)

[french frank]

I cite:

The other translatours..left out that title altogither, as being no part of the text and word of God

or, as you might say: The other translatours..left out that title altogither, as being [something that is] no part of the text and word of God.


The whole Work will be spoiled; as being smaller than the proposed Diameter.

or, as you might say: The whole Work will be spoiled; as being [something that is] smaller than the proposed Diameter.

So: As being = because it is, expressing the reason why.

If you have pain in your ears, perhaps it is wax? Have you tried Earol?

[vinteuil]

I cite:

The other translatours..left out that title altogither, as being no part of the text and word of God
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The whole Work will be spoiled; as being smaller than the proposed Diameter.

... I note the punctuation in your interesting and instructive citations.

Perhaps the text under consideration might be helped by a similar approach:


‘Bath council encourages busking, as being appreciated by casual tourists’

I still cannot praise it for elegance...

[french frank]

... I note the punctuation in your interesting and instructive citations.

Perhaps the text under consideration might be helped by a similar approach:

‘Bath council encourages busking, as being appreciated by casual tourists’

I will fly and amend it at once :-)

I still cannot praise it for elegance...

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It's getting a bit too academic. It probably isn't even true about the tourists. Tourists who visit Baaarth are not, IMO, the most likely ones to be particular keen on amplified buskers. Busking of this nature is like offensive graffiti.

[french frank]

It probably isn't even true about the tourists.

You and your fancy Yorkshire ways!

"Busking and other forms of street entertainment are part of the Bath ‘experience’, creating an enhanced atmosphere and providing pleasure to many people, both local residents and visitors. " From the BANES website. http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/e...lution/busking

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You and your fancy Yorkshire ways!

I'm a Lancashire-born emigrant.

"Busking and other forms of street entertainment are part of the Bath ‘experience’, creating an enhanced atmosphere and providing pleasure to many people, both local residents and visitors. "

That's what they say in Scarborough too, but with even more suspect sentence construction (and similarly aggressive amplification.

[jean]

‘Bath council encourages busking as being [something that is] appreciated by casual tourists’

As being something that is? Tautologous or what?

I think the original was fine - as far as its syntax goes, anyway; its meaning is another matter.

[french frank]

I think the original was fine - as far as its syntax goes, anyway; its meaning is another matter.

Context is all, as Gongers is wont to remark!

[vinteuil]

I think the original was fine - as far as its syntax goes, anyway.

... I defer to the judgment of both French Frank and Jean here.

Must be my ears that are out of kilter...

[Pabmusic]

I'll add my two penn'orth-worth (old tautologous idiomatic expression - did you notice that, Dad?):

It's quite all right, but it might have been better as, "‘Bath council encourages busking because it is popular with tourists".

[jean]

I think there's a subtle difference in meaning. Both of course give the reasons why the council encourages buskers, but while with

Bath council encourages busking because it is popular with tourists

they affirm the absolute objective truth of the tourists' approval of the busking,

Bath council encourages busking as being appreciated by casual tourists

allows that the council might possibly have arrived at an incorrect assessment of the tourists' reactions. This is because being is not itself an indicative main verb and so does not make a statement; it could be expanded by means of a modal, for example.

(What's a casual tourist, I wonder? One who simply forgot to get off the train at Bristol? And do they [sic] deserve more consideration than the ones who really, really meant to go to Bath in the first place?)

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[Pabmusic]

...(What's a casual tourist, I wonder? One who simply forgot to get off the train at Bristol? And do they [sic] deserve more consideration than the ones who really, really meant to go to Bath in the first place?)

I agree, it's a distinction, rather than a difference (what's a "full-time" or "committed tourist"?). I don't disagree with your main point (just).

[jean]

...I don't disagree with your main point (just).

I've just edited it to make it even less disagreeable-with.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I suggest a casual tourist is rather like a spokesperson - a source of evidence that cannot be confirmed; i.e. a supposition.