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  • Maclintick
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    • Jan 2012
    • 1083

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

    ... as a (non-paid) pedant I was alarmed to find that 'nonplussed' is in the process of changing its meaning. Apparently it can now 'mean' (pertick'ly in the US), rather than 'disconcerted' &c - 'unruffled, unconcerned' -

    Thanks for the warning, Vints. That is truly alarming. One will have to remain vigilant in case the linguistic bedfellows of nonplussed, baffled & bewildered, likewise drift into lexicographical purgatory.

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    • LMcD
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      • Sep 2017
      • 8638

      Originally posted by Maclintick View Post

      Thanks for the warning, Vints. That is truly alarming. One will have to remain vigilant in case the linguistic bedfellows of nonplussed, baffled & bewildered, likewise drift into lexicographical purgatory.
      Not forgetting bewitched and bothered.

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      • Maclintick
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        • Jan 2012
        • 1083

        Originally posted by LMcD View Post

        Not forgetting bewitched and bothered.
        I’m befuddled by the suggestion that bewitched and bothered are acceptable synonyms for nonplussed ….🥴

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        • AuntDaisy
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          • Jun 2018
          • 1771

          Originally posted by Maclintick View Post
          I’m befuddled by the suggestion that bewitched and bothered are acceptable synonyms for nonplussed ….🥴
          Perhaps LMcD hoped you'd sing it?

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          • Maclintick
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            • Jan 2012
            • 1083

            Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
            Perhaps LMcD hoped you'd sing it?
            I think he’d find my rendition far from bewitching - & become bothered and bewildered …🫣

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
              • 37814

              Originally posted by Maclintick View Post
              I think he’d find my rendition far from bewitching - & become bothered and bewildered …🫣


              Logically one could assume the corollary of nonplussed to be in the negative.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 11062

                Would that be a plus, then?

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37814

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  Would that be a plus, then?


                  In the House of Lords it would be a Sir Plus.

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                  • Pulcinella
                    Host
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 11062

                    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post



                    In the House of Lords it would be a Sir Plus.

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                    • Maclintick
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                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1083

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post



                      Logically one could assume the corollary of nonplussed to be in the negative.
                      That would certainly be in keeping with the most recent "semantic drift" identified in the article linked by Vints in #6524, in which nonplussed equates to unruffled or unconcerned, though perhaps the most pleasing corollary might be nonchalant, as having the negative prefix, and as with plussed, no natural opposite chalant.

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                      • Old Grumpy
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3643

                        More on nonchalant*:

                        Answer (1 of 11): The Urban Dictionary says,” Chalant is a word ill-literate half-wits think of when talking about the positive form of the word nonchalant which by the way has NO POSITIVE FORM. NONCHALANT comes from an Old French word NONCHALOIR, meaning “to disregard.” That word comes from NON...


                        * I came across this wondering if there was a French word "chalant". Perhaps FF can help here.

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                        • Maclintick
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                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1083

                          Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
                          More on nonchalant*:

                          Answer (1 of 11): The Urban Dictionary says,” Chalant is a word ill-literate half-wits think of when talking about the positive form of the word nonchalant which by the way has NO POSITIVE FORM. NONCHALANT comes from an Old French word NONCHALOIR, meaning “to disregard.” That word comes from NON...


                          * I came across this wondering if there was a French word "chalant". Perhaps FF can help here.
                          Meanwhile, chalant does appear in this heartwarming tale featuring many lost positives....


                          SHOUTS AND MURMURS about man who describes meeting his wife at a party. In his description, he drops many prefixes. It had been a rough day, so when I …

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12936

                            Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
                            More on nonchalant*:

                            Answer (1 of 11): The Urban Dictionary says,” Chalant is a word ill-literate half-wits think of when talking about the positive form of the word nonchalant which by the way has NO POSITIVE FORM. NONCHALANT comes from an Old French word NONCHALOIR, meaning “to disregard.” That word comes from NON...


                            * I came across this wondering if there was a French word "chalant". Perhaps FF can help here.
                            ... there is the (defective) verb chaloir, 'to matter', nowadays only used in a few set phrases - il ne m'en chaut, il ne m'en chalait guère it matters, mattered, not to me; Peu m'en chaut, I don't care a fig, Non qu'il m'en chaille, not that I care.

                            Littré​ in his Dictionary gives examples in other tenses and moods - il chaudra, il chaudrait, il ne peut chaloir, qu'il chaille, il chalait,
                            il chalut, il a chalu...

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30456

                              FF arrive trop tard (just waiting in the caffe for my tocsni with - oh, it’s here). Quora and m vinteuil are correct . Chalant is the pres part of chaloir ‘to be warm’ . So nonchalant is to be cool, calm, unconcerned &c.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12936

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                ...just waiting in the caffe for my tocsni with - oh, it’s here
                                ... ah, but were they tocsni? -

                                These Hungarian potato cakes go by many names depending on the region, often causing friendly conversations to come to a halt as everyone tries to establish that they are talking about the same thi…


                                (all look pretty good to me... )

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