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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30511

    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    Indeed. How was it that the plural of opus came to mean a work of music drama?
    French manages to treat 'opera' as masculine and feminine depending on the meaning, both singular, in the forms un œuvre and une œuvre. I suppose opus would have given un œuf, but that might have been confusing.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • gurnemanz
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7415

      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      Indeed. How was it that the plural of opus came to mean a work of music drama?
      Having checked a Latin dictionary I now realise that I was unaware that Latin already had a feminine singular noun "opera", meaning "work" with its own plural "operae":

      Latin Dictionary: the best Latin dictionary with a conjugator and a Latin declension tool available online for free!


      Italian must have taken this over and extended it to refer to a staged musical. "Opera" in modern Italian is still widely used as a singular noun denoting work in general as well as a musical genre. It has its own plural "opere".

      Interesting that German took the word over without the final 'a', but kept it feminine, therefore taking 'n' in the plural - "Opern".

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37856

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        French manages to treat 'opera' as masculine and feminine depending on the meaning, both singular, in the forms un œuvre and une œuvre. I suppose opus would have given un œuf, but that might have been confusing.
        Not if it was hors d'oeuvre!

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        • kernelbogey
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5807

          People continue to apologise 'unreservedly' for this and that. (I've yet to hear anyone say they are apologising with reservations, although in fact that seems to happen.... )

          It seems to be another meaningless cliched addition, like 'literally', as a kind of intensifier. I really, really apologise.

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          • gurnemanz
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7415

            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
            People continue to apologise 'unreservedly' for this and that. (I've yet to hear anyone say they are apologising with reservations, although in fact that seems to happen.... )

            It seems to be another meaningless cliched addition, like 'literally', as a kind of intensifier. I really, really apologise.
            Likewise "heartfelt".

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            • oddoneout
              Full Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 9308

              Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
              People continue to apologise 'unreservedly' for this and that. (I've yet to hear anyone say they are apologising with reservations, although in fact that seems to happen.... )

              It seems to be another meaningless cliched addition, like 'literally', as a kind of intensifier. I really, really apologise.
              The legal team has cleared them to apologise without any reserved matters?
              I see it as all part of the "bigging up" trend of recent years - no-one has simple headaches or colds, they have migraines and flu, the mildly adequate becomes awesome, a reasonably competent sportsperson becomes a hero, etc

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              • kernelbogey
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5807

                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                ...the mildly adequate becomes awesome....
                A few years ago a young shop assistant said 'awesome' in response to my tendering the correct amount in cash for my purchase (of a chocolate bar)....

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                • gurnemanz
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7415

                  Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                  A few years ago a young shop assistant said 'awesome' in response to my tendering the correct amount in cash for my purchase (of a chocolate bar)....
                  Reminded me for some reason of the two characters in the Reginald Perrin series who only ever said Great! or Super!

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37856

                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    Reminded me for some reason of the two characters in the Reginald Perrin series who only ever said Great! or Super!
                    How can misery be untold without provoking no response whatever?

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                    • LeMartinPecheur
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4717

                      This from the Independent's round-robin email update 'Inside Politics' today:

                      CHILD ASYLUM FEARS: Ministers have been accused of “washing their hands of” child asylum seekers after it emerged that child refugees are being forced to share rooms and even beds with adults they do not know as increasing numbers are incorrectly placed in accommodation meant for over-18s by the government. Hundreds of unaccompanied male and female asylum seekers who say they are children have been discovered in hotels intended for adults in recent months, with many fearful of leaving their rooms and some driven to suicidal ideation, while others have run away.

                      Today's winner of this forum's periphrasis/ euphemism prize??
                      Last edited by LeMartinPecheur; 17-01-22, 10:49.
                      I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                      • ardcarp
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11102

                        BBC programmes which use a presenter often have a script which starts off, "I'm going to discover" followed by "I'm heading to..." or worse "I'm headed to...".

                        Why is there such conformity of approach? Is there some script Gauleiter who dictates the format?

                        Mu objection to "discover" is that we know perfectly well that the presenter is not going to discover anything in person. It's all been done before.
                        And as for '"heading"? Why is everyone heading? That's bad enough, but "I'm headed "? What part of speech is headed? Beheaded, yes,except that practicalities may prevent such an utterance. But can you say, in English, "I am headed"?

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30511

                          Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                          That's bad enough, but "I'm headed "? What part of speech is headed? Beheaded, yes,except that practicalities may prevent such an utterance. But can you say, in English, "I am headed"?
                          OED (a descriptive, not a prescriptive, dictionary) saith: "transitive (in passive). "Originally and chiefly U.S. To be moving in a specified direction or towards a particular place, person, or thing; to be moving or going." First example in 1831 ('The ship was headed for Nukuhiva'), the latest 2007 ('Jerome..talks to me about where I'm headed and what a wonderful place it is').

                          Journalism seems to be a particularly frequent conduit of US usage into the UK.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            OED (a descriptive, not a prescriptive, dictionary) saith: "transitive (in passive). "Originally and chiefly U.S. To be moving in a specified direction or towards a particular place, person, or thing; to be moving or going." First example in 1831 ('The ship was headed for Nukuhiva'), the latest 2007 ('Jerome..talks to me about where I'm headed and what a wonderful place it is').

                            Journalism seems to be a particularly frequent conduit of US usage into the UK.
                            Hmm. I wonder what heading you are on there.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30511

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Hmm. I wonder what heading you are on there.
                              Transitive (passive), Bryn
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37856

                                Nobody at the BBC will be headed anywhere if a rule banning heading in football is introduced and then applied to other activities!

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