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  • oddoneout
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    • Nov 2015
    • 9272

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Newsletter from the Times this morning had me scanning the follow-up to see whether it meant what I thought it meant, or the opposite (it meant the opposite):

    ANALYSIS: Doubtful ministers would dispense with masks today.
    They're all pretty doubtful in my jaundiced view so I couldn't care less what they do about masks...

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    • french frank
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      • Feb 2007
      • 30456

      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
      They're all pretty doubtful in my jaundiced view so I couldn't care less what they do about masks...
      Well, reading the brief synopsis, it did seem to mean "It is doubtful whether ministers would dispense with masks [if making the decision] today" rather than "Sceptical ministers would dispense with masks today." But I didn't read the whole story as I only get the news headlines and I wasn't interested enough to make it one of my free articles.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • oddoneout
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        • Nov 2015
        • 9272

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        Well, reading the brief synopsis, it did seem to mean "It is doubtful whether ministers would dispense with masks [if making the decision] today" rather than "Sceptical ministers would dispense with masks today." But I didn't read the whole story as I only get the news headlines and I wasn't interested enough to make it one of my free articles.
        It's a bit like the "how many words from this set of letters" isn't it? How many interpretations from this set of words.

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        • french frank
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          • Feb 2007
          • 30456

          Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
          It's a bit like the "how many words from this set of letters" isn't it? How many interpretations from this set of words.
          It could be deliberately ambiguous to make you read it. When I did a subbing course, I remember we were told we had to write bills for our stories which left the public guessing and made them buy the paper. "Boris Johnson trial - verdict "will sell more papers than "Boris Johnson - Guilty" (sigh of relief - don't have to buy the paper, just off to the pub).
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • cat
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            • May 2019
            • 401

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            It could be deliberately ambiguous to make you read it. When I did a subbing course, I remember we were told we had to write bills for our stories which left the public guessing and made them buy the paper. "Boris Johnson trial - verdict "will sell more papers than "Boris Johnson - Guilty" (sigh of relief - don't have to buy the paper, just off to the pub).
            Our local newspaper website has become terrible for this sort of thing. Instead of “Police Reopen Road After Minor Accident” we get “Important Update From Police on Accident That Closed Road”

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            • oddoneout
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              • Nov 2015
              • 9272

              Originally posted by cat View Post
              Our local newspaper website has become terrible for this sort of thing. Instead of “Police Reopen Road After Minor Accident” we get “Important Update From Police on Accident That Closed Road”
              The online version of my local rag has developed an extra twist - reading the text below the headline doesn't always clarify, it may be some time before a coherent version is posted. It would help if an attempt to write original text was made rather than just hurriedly rehashing police tweets which themselves are all too often rather lacking on the literacy front.

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              • french frank
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                • Feb 2007
                • 30456

                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                The online version of my local rag has developed an extra twist - reading the text below the headline doesn't always clarify, it may be some time before a coherent version is posted. It would help if an attempt to write original text was made rather than just hurriedly rehashing police tweets which themselves are all too often rather lacking on the literacy front.
                Most news gathering seems to rely rather too much on quotes from social media. Not around in my day: bills (for the billboards) were handwritten on small squares of paper with the newspaper's logo at the top. I scribbled my letter of resignation on one.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • french frank
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                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30456

                  A new BBC masterpiece of ambiguity this morning (or is it deliberate subversiveness?):

                  "Covid rules from 19 July: What has changed?"
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37814

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    A new BBC masterpiece of ambiguity this morning (or is it deliberate subversiveness?):

                    "Covid rules from 19 July: What has changed?"
                    Do you mean "rules" being possibly used as a verb?

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30456

                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      Do you mean "rules" being possibly used as a verb?
                      My brain must be differently wired: I read it as Covid rules (OK?)
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37814

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        My brain must be differently wired: I read it as Covid rules (OK?)
                        No, similarly wired, you poor dear!

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                        • Padraig
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                          • Feb 2013
                          • 4250

                          The other day I came across a new word, meant to look it up, didn't and forgot what it was. The very next day in a different place I came across i the same word again! I looked it up and was amazed that I had not heard it before - how could I not have? The word was BLOVIATING.

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                          • vinteuil
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12936

                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            The other day I came across a new word, meant to look it up, didn't and forgot what it was. The very next day in a different place I came across i the same word again! I looked it up and was amazed that I had not heard it before - how could I not have?
                            ... the very same thing happened to me a couple of days back.

                            Perhaps appropriately, the word was - athazagoraphobia : the fear of forgetting, or of being forgotten

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                            • oddoneout
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                              • Nov 2015
                              • 9272

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              ... the very same thing happened to me a couple of days back.

                              Perhaps appropriately, the word was - athazagoraphobia : the fear of forgetting, or of being forgotten

                              .
                              The latter meaning being another modern day affliction to go with *FOMO?
                              Learning the meaning of bloviating/bloviated came some time ago and as the result of the PM. It isn't a pleasant sounding word (to my ears, conjuring up images of flies and maggots, possibly being close to bloated) and the association makes it even more unpleasant...

                              * fear of missing out

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                              • vinteuil
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12936

                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                The latter meaning being another modern day affliction to go with *FOMO?

                                / ... /

                                * fear of missing out
                                I don't think I ever suffered much from FOMO. Rather FOBIA* (which has increased over the last eighteen months... )



                                * Fear Of Being Invited Anywhere

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