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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37578

    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
    He just thought to poppet in!
    ... because it offered a window of opportunity.

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    • LMcD
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      • Sep 2017
      • 8399

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      ... because it offered a window of opportunity.
      I shall clearly have to take care to frame my comments more carefully.

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      • kernelbogey
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5735

        An open and shut case.

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37578

          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
          An open and shut case.
          I was going to say, his real name must be Justin Casement.

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5735

            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            I was going to say, his real name must be Justin Casement.
            Je ne le sache pas....

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12778

              .

              ... please, nurse - curtains!

              .

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              • kernelbogey
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                • Nov 2010
                • 5735

                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                Unlock - appears to be being used as a noun now (i.e. the reverse of lockdown).
                And now in The Observer 'wait staff' - i.e. waiters. Is this making verbs into nouns a thing now? Just a trend to use shorter words?

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                • gurnemanz
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7380

                  Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                  And now in The Observer 'wait staff' - i.e. waiters. Is this making verbs into nouns a thing now? Just a trend to use shorter words?
                  I agree that 'wait staff' is not a welcome or necessary new phrase but "making verbs into nouns" is surely not the reason for its irksomeness. This is a standard, age-old and perfectly acceptable way of broadening usage. Countless examples like:

                  walk (verb) - doing it
                  walk (noun) - the doing of it

                  "Wait" is already often used as a noun in a general context as in usage like "a long wait" .
                  Last edited by gurnemanz; 06-06-21, 10:59. Reason: Typo

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                  • french frank
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                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30232

                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    I agree that 'wait staff' is not a welcome or necessary new phrase but "making verbs into nouns" is surely not the reason for its irksomeness.
                    I agree. It is one of the flexibilities of English that no matter what part of speech a word begins as, in English it can be converted into something else: he upped his bid, downed him with one blow, the ins and outs, no ifs or buts, uncle me no uncle, the bravos rang round the stadium.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37578

                      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                      I agree that 'wait staff' is not a welcome or necessary new phrase but "making verbs into nouns" is surely not the reason for its irksomeness. This is a standard, age-old and perfectly acceptable way of broadening usage. Countless examples like:

                      walk (verb) - doing it
                      walk (noun) - the doing of it

                      "Wait" is already often used as a noun in a general context as in usage like "a long wait" .
                      "Waitering" is (or was) in common usage in catering. Oh, and "waitressing"! !

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20569

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        Unlock - appears to be being used as a noun now (i.e. the reverse of lockdown).
                        It would be better to use a gerund: ‘unlocking’.

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                        • kernelbogey
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5735

                          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                          I agree that 'wait staff' is not a welcome or necessary new phrase but "making verbs into nouns" is surely not the reason for its irksomeness. This is a standard, age-old and perfectly acceptable way of broadening usage.
                          You - and others - are of course right; it was just that 'unlock' and 'wait' used in those ways seemed particularly unlovely.

                          It would be better to use a gerund: ‘unlocking’.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30232

                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            It would be better to use a gerund: ‘unlocking’.
                            "Waitstaff" is, apparently - can you believe? - (North) American. Waiting staff is British
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              "Waitstaff" is, apparently - can you believe? - (North) American. Waiting staff is British
                              But what about "waitering staff"?

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30232

                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                But what about "waitering staff"?
                                96,400 hits, compared with 'waiting staff' with over 4 million. There seems something vaguely tautologous about 'waitering staff'. Waiters wait, rather than waiter.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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