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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    I think I say 'bored with'.
    With me, it depends on the context. Either "with" or "by" but not "of".

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    • kernelbogey
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 5689

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      I think I say 'bored with'.
      Aha! Now you mention it, so do I - but I think with different meanings.

      If I am bored by something, I won't start it: there's a kind of absoluteness to it.

      If I am bored with something, I will have started it... but decide to discontinue.

      (Work in progress, maybe.)

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 29978

        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
        Aha! Now you mention it, so do I - but I think with different meanings.

        If I am bored by something, I won't start it: there's a kind of absolutness to it.

        If I am bored with something, I will have started it... but decide to discontinue.

        (Work in progress, maybe.)
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37403

          Bored of... applies to the jazz aficionados on this forum as a collective noun.

          As in "Welcome to the jazz bored" for new forum members, as happens..............occasionally.

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          • gurnemanz
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7364

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            I think I say 'bored with'.
            So do I. "Bored of" sounds wrong to me but is widespread and on the march, no doubt by analogy with "tired of". Hard to make a case for "tired of" being OK and "bored of" being wrong. Being preferred by younger people it will not doubt prevail.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
              So do I. "Bored of" sounds wrong to me but is widespread and on the march, no doubt by analogy with "tired of". Hard to make a case for "tired of" being OK and "bored of" being wrong. Being preferred by younger people it will not doubt prevail.
              Like "How are you?"

              "I'm good" rather than "I'm well, thank you".

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              • kernelbogey
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 5689

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                "I'm good" rather than "I'm well, thank you".
                I continue to puzzle over this one, much used by some of my friends; I have not yet had the nerve to enquire why.... I think that it may mean, to them and other users, more than 'I am well': I suspect it is something like 'Everything in my life is fine at the moment - health, work, family [etc]'. But that is speculation on my part; it may be as simple as following a US-led trend.

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9031

                  Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                  I continue to puzzle over this one, much used by some of my friends; I have not yet had the nerve to enquire why.... I think that it may mean, to them and other users, more than 'I am well': I suspect it is something like 'Everything in my life is fine at the moment - health, work, family [etc]'. But that is speculation on my part; it may be as simple as following a US-led trend.
                  I have on (suitable)occasions responded to "I'm good", with "I know that but I was asking how you were."

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                  • kernelbogey
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5689

                    Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                    I have on (suitable)occasions responded to "I'm good", with "I know that but I was asking how you were."

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12701

                      .

                      ... I perceive a difference of tone -

                      "I'm well" : definite, explicit, ends the interchange.
                      "I'm good" : more tentative, carries perhaps an implied "... in the circumstances", "... all things considered"

                      Neither usage offends me...

                      .

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                      • kernelbogey
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5689

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        .

                        ... I perceive a difference of tone -

                        "I'm well" : definite, explicit, ends the interchange.
                        "I'm good" : more tentative, carries perhaps an implied "... in the circumstances", "... all things considered"

                        Neither usage offends me...

                        .

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 29978

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ... I perceive a difference of tone - [ …] "I'm good" : more tentative, carries perhaps an implied "... in the circumstances", "... all things considered"
                          So all that remains, empirically, is to establish whether your perception coincides with the intention (since the question is often merely phatic, I think the reply might be judged in the same light, rather than as a considered response to an investigation into the state of one's health). Unless, of course, the conclusion is likely to offend.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12701

                            .

                            ... and talking of phatic, we were brung up to use the interchange -

                            Person A : "How d'ye do"
                            Person B : "How d'ye do"

                            To 'answer' what was not really a question was deemed bad form.

                            .

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 29978

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              .

                              ... and talking of phatic, we were brung up to use the interchange -

                              Person A : "How d'ye do"
                              Person B : "How d'ye do"

                              To 'answer' what was not really a question was deemed bad form.

                              .
                              True, if 'How do you do?' was the form of the question. Though one alternative might be a formulaic reply which did not have to match reality, followed by a similar phatic enquiry of the second party. In neither case was this to represent an exchange of information.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • LezLee
                                Full Member
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 634

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                I think I say 'bored with'.
                                I think I've always used 'bored with' though I don't mind 'bored by'.

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