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  • LMcD
    Full Member
    • Sep 2017
    • 8401

    I've just emailed the editor of the Eastern Daily Press, wondering whether Greta would have made the same mistake.

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    • kernelbogey
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 5735

      Responding to claims he was a Salvini supporter, Anello said: “For almost 20 years I have served both right and left governments indifferently.”

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30232

        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
        Anello said: “For almost 20 years I have served both right and left governments indifferently.”
        So, no enthusiasm for these extremists? Trust a good moderate.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37580

          Here's one from this lunchtime's BBC4 news: "elecTORal". I would always say "eLECtoral", with the stress on the second syllable - it sounds less clumsy, somehow.

          There was a lovely malapropism from Daily Depress reporter Carole Malone on this morning's Jeremy Vine show on CH5:

          "Oxytoxin is the chemical in the brain that causes sexual arousal".

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          • Wychwood
            Full Member
            • Aug 2017
            • 247

            Surprised to hear Donald Macleod today in a repeated CotW (mis)using the phrase reaching a crescendo: "The row reaching a crescendo...in a fist-fight in church".

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              I noticed that!

              Nails scraping down a blackboard, I can cope happily with ... but "reaching a crescendo"!!!???
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                I noticed that!

                Nails scraping down a blackboard, I can cope happily with ... but "reaching a crescendo"!!!???
                What's so bad is that it's the classic error in musical terminological usage.

                Pffft!!

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5735

                  Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                  What's so bad is that it's the classic error in musical terminological usage.

                  Pffft!!
                  Pabs, you could calm yourself with a latte and a panini....

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                  • Pabmusic
                    Full Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 5537

                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    Pabs, you could calm yourself with a latte and a panini....
                    That's a good idea.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30232

                      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                      What's so bad is that it's the classic error in musical terminological usage.

                      Pffft!!
                      Interestingly, the OED has 6 examples ("colloquial (orig. U.S.). The peak of an increase in volume, force, or intensity; a climax. Esp. in to reach a crescendo"), the first from Fitzgerald's Gatsby in 1925, up to the Economist in 1975. But none of these examples has a musical context.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Zucchini
                        Guest
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 917

                        The music can of course reach a point where a crescendo commences ...

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30232

                          Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
                          The music can of course reach a point where a crescendo commences ...
                          Very logical, and if Donald Macleod had said: "The row reached a point where a crescendo commenced...in a fist-fight in church", there would be no outcry.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • gurnemanz
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7380

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Interestingly, the OED has 6 examples ("colloquial (orig. U.S.). The peak of an increase in volume, force, or intensity; a climax. Esp. in to reach a crescendo"), the first from Fitzgerald's Gatsby in 1925, up to the Economist in 1975. But none of these examples has a musical context.
                            I also react against "reaching a crescendo". It is a present participle, "growing" and as such refers to a process occurring over a period of time not to a point in time. However, whether we like it or not, in modern usage it is very often encountered in the sense of the high point of a crescendo. So it is probably Canute-like to resist. Chambers describes this usage as "figurative":

                            1.An increase of loudness
                            2.A passage of increasing loudness
                            3.A high point, a climax (figurative)

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12779

                              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                              I also react against "reaching a crescendo". It is a present participle, "growing" and as such refers to a process occurring over a period of time not to a point in time. However, whether we like it or not, in modern usage it is very often encountered in the sense of the high point of a crescendo. So it is probably Canute-like to resist. Chambers describes this usage as "figurative":

                              1.An increase of loudness
                              2.A passage of increasing loudness
                              3.A high point, a climax (figurative)
                              ... and of course 'climax' originally meant 'a ladder', and hence 'an ascending series' - rather than the much later usage as a 'culmination'

                              .

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                              • gurnemanz
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7380

                                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                                Pabs, you could calm yourself with a latte and a panini....
                                A fully paid-up pedant is bound to point out that "panini" is the plural of "panino". A panino might make a decent snack but one spaghetto would be a rather sparse meal.

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