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  • MrGongGong
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    But 'branding' is king. Charities rebrand as Mind, Scope, Care; public organisations: Liberty, Relate, Unite. I really don't think removing the 'The' from The Radio 3 Forum is going to be enough: Onwards? Upwards? Advance? Retreat? Regroup? Rethink? Reflect? Bother!? Hope? Hopeless? <Sigh>?
    The only time I have been to a "focus group" was when a number of music organisations "merged" and they acquired a new name which if written one way into a search engine might have a series of unfortunate associations

    Also reminded of the wonderful HCMF, that's Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival to most of us, Hungarian Computer Music Foundation to some and (ooooooops) the Hard-core Movie Forum to others (Venn Diagram needed ?)

    Some of the ones you list above did need to change, "The Spastics Society" is an unacceptable title these days

    But surely the forum needs a single word ?
    How about

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30210

      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
      But surely the forum needs a single word ?
      How about
      Would save designing a new banner
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • amateur51

        Originally posted by Sydney Grew View Post
        From the Oxford English Dictionary:

        upcoming, ppl. a.: That is about to happen, etc., forthcoming. Chiefly U.S.

        May I respectfully recommend "coming events" (short and sweet)? "Approaching events" might be considered; but "forthcoming events" probably not. We all remember do we not the wise words of Sigmund Freud: "Admittedly America is gigantic, but it is a gigantic mistake."
        What about "future events"?

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by Angle View Post

          In Liverpool, by the way, Tate Liverpool is referred to as THE Tate.

          Support t'Definite Article.
          Oh Counsel of Perfection, I suspect it is actually pronounced "Duh Tay'" innit

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          • amateur51

            Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
            There seems to be an almost obsessive desire 'with them what's powerful' to constantly have to change known and liked identities. It's just like when you think you've memorised the layout of the aisles in your favoured supermarket (thereby facilitating the possibility of doing a quick mad dash shop for a few bits for a late supper) and then finding the b********s have moved everything around for no reason whatsoever!!!!


            Shall I get ahead with designing some t-shirts for the campaign, visnic? What about about "No More Scuppered Aisles" as a slogan

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            • amateur51

              Originally posted by Stillhomewardbound View Post

              Oh yes, I know it's still there, but now it has to BFI. For why the f*** I don't know but that's where I did my first courting and I will only ever know it as the NFT.
              A fine post shb

              In the great long ago before AIDS laid waste to my address book, my friends & I referred to the NFT as "the nifty" and the adjectival "nifty" was appended to all manner of related nouns , e.g. a nifty gift was a book about film

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                There seems to be an almost obsessive desire 'with them what's powerful' to constantly have to change known and liked identities. It's just like when you think you've memorised the layout of the aisles in your favoured supermarket (thereby facilitating the possibility of doing a quick mad dash shop for a few bits for a late supper) and then finding the b********s have moved everything around for no reason whatsoever!!!!
                It's closely related to the feeling behind this famous pseudo-Latin quotation:
                We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organising, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganising; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation.

                It's often attributed to Caius Petronius, but is actually by the American journalist Charlton Ogburn Jr, and dates from the 1950s.

                It is nonetheless spot on.

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                • amateur51

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  But 'branding' is king. Charities rebrand as Mind, Scope, Care; public organisations: Liberty, Relate, Unite. I really don't think removing the 'The' from The Radio 3 Forum is going to be enough: Onwards? Upwards? Advance? Retreat? Regroup? Rethink? Reflect? Bother!? Hope? Hopeless? <Sigh>?
                  I take your point but many charities were set up in Victorian times and their original names were beyond the pale in contemporary society. Others were just downright clunky.

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                  • amateur51

                    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                    It's closely related to the feeling behind this famous pseudo-Latin quotation:
                    We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organising, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganising; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation.

                    It's often attributed to Caius Petronius, but is actually by the American journalist Charlton Ogburn Jr, and dates from the 1950s.

                    It is nonetheless spot on.
                    Indeed it is Pabs and I have used it often ("Oh Lord" muttered Gonzales, who was taking the minutes " he's doing it again!")

                    I am dismayed at Charlton Ogden's apparent need to dissemble

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                    • Richard Tarleton

                      A few years ago The National Trust (capital T for The) became National Trust, at great expense and to the fury of some.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30210

                        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                        We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organising, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganising; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation.
                        The BBC uses the word 'refresh' in a similar way to 'reorganise'. Being fresh and organised are Good Things.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20569

                          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                          Oh Counsel of Perfection, I suspect it is actually pronounced "Duh Tay'" innit
                          In London, land of Cockney and Estuary English, it would be pronounced "Ver Tai' ".

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                          • Pabmusic
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            The BBC uses the word 'refresh' in a similar way to 'reorganise'. Being fresh and organised are Good Things.
                            Remember, I was 30 years in the Prison Service.

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20569

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              The BBC uses the word 'refresh' in a similar way to 'reorganise'. Being fresh and organised are Good Things.
                              Where my son works, the word "revert" is used instead of "reply". He's A grump like me and replies to the message literally.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                Where my son works, the word "revert" is used instead of "reply". He's A grump like me and replies to the message literally.
                                Some years ago we had a right old to and fro on the old Radio 3 boards about the use of the word "reversion" to indicate the making of a new version, rather than reverting to an earlier one. That's lexicological progress for you.

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