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  • teamsaint
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 25225

    but it doesn't look very nice. (especially when you have two together at the end, (especially))

    and where does double brackets come into Bodmas?
    a sort of Welsh style BBodmas?
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30456

      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
      and where does double brackets come into Bodmas?
      a sort of Welsh style BBodmas?
      Work from inside to outside.

      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20572

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        ... it may not be good enough for writing prose (or poetry, for that matter). If pushed, I'd say, 'It's inherently wrong'. :-)

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        • Pabmusic
          Full Member
          • May 2011
          • 5537

          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          hello pedants.(In a good way, obviously).

          A question.

          Is it ok to have brackets inside brackets?
          Whether it is or not (and I've read - avidly - the posts above) it's usually easy enough to avoid, as I just have. If you really need parentheses within brackets, use dashes - it looks quite classy - or even commas, like this, but using different styles of brackets looks awkward if it's not an academic paper, a bibliography or some such.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30456

            Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
            Whether it is or not (and I've read - avidly - the posts above) it's usually easy enough to avoid, as I just have. If you really need parentheses within brackets, use dashes - it looks quite classy - or even commas, like this, but using different styles of brackets looks awkward if it's not an academic paper, a bibliography or some such.
            Total agreement. I'd say different styles of brackets are a complete no-no (and I've never seen them used outside mathematical contexts, anyway).
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Eine Alpensinfonie
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 20572

              I have seen square brackets mixed with curved ones, but not with the wavy sort.

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              • Pabmusic
                Full Member
                • May 2011
                • 5537

                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                I have seen square brackets mixed with curved ones, but not with the wavy sort.
                I've never used the wavy sort, but I have used square brackets within a long quotation, to show that the comment inside the brackets is not part of the quotation:

                "…We stayed on the cliff tops with a Mrs F[iggins]…"

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20572

                  Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                  I've never used the wavy sort, but I have used square brackets within a long quotation, to show that the comment inside the brackets is not part of the quotation:

                  "…We stayed on the cliff tops with a Mrs F[iggins]…"
                  Yes. It adds clarity.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30456

                    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                    I have used square brackets within a long quotation, to show that the comment inside the brackets is not part of the quotation:

                    "…We stayed on the cliff tops with a Mrs F[iggins]…"
                    I take back/modify my dogmatic statement. That is a recognised use of square brackets, especially to indicate an editorial insertion/amendment (and which could conceivably be enclosed in normal parentheses [sic]).

                    But I don't think BODMAS applies here, team!
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20572

                      Gosh! BODMAS!

                      I'd forgotten all about that and had to look it up.

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25225

                        Just stumbled on this in " The Rest is Noise".

                        Leibiwitz(an Austrian by birth[sic]) represents.....

                        probably best to just substitute commas for the brackets here, and remove the unsightly double bracket.
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30456

                          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                          Leibiwitz(an Austrian by birth[sic]) represents.....

                          probably best to just substitute commas for the brackets here, and remove the unsightly double bracket.
                          And why does it need a [sic] after 'birth' anyway? 'An Austrian by birth' seems hard to misinterpret.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • teamsaint
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 25225

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            And why does it need a [sic] after 'birth' anyway? 'An Austrian by birth' seems hard to misinterpret.
                            I wondered that too !

                            it was part of a quote and it seems he may have been french.
                            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                            • subcontrabass
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 2780

                              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                              I wondered that too !

                              it was part of a quote and it seems he may have been french.
                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Leibowitz
                              But note he was born in Warsaw, which at the time of his birth (1913) was in the Russian empire.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30456

                                Originally posted by subcontrabass View Post
                                But note he was born in Warsaw, which at the time of his birth (1913) was in the Russian empire.
                                So how did that make him Austrian by birth, with or without a [sic]?
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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