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  • gurnemanz
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7353

    I would never say "keep ahold of", which sounds American to me. Likewise "get ahold of". Both "keep hold of" and "get hold of" are standard British usage.

    "Retain" is the type of slightly more formal option often preferred in public notices, eg "alight" instead of "get off". I suspect that in informal colloquial usage most people would prefer "keep" and "get off".

    Speaking generally, where English has words of both Germanic and Latin origin available for the same basic concept, as very often occurs, the Latin word tends to have more abstract connotations, where the Germanic is more physical.
    retain - keep in your possession;
    hold - keep in your hand.

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    • Pulcinella
      Host
      • Feb 2014
      • 10667

      I think that some people just need to get a grip.

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      • Sir Velo
        Full Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 3216

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        I think that some people just need to get a grip.

        That's definitely the take away

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 29870

          Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

          That's definitely the take away
          With or without mushy peas?
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by french frank View Post

            With or without mushy peas?
            Would it not be more likely to be a "take out" if with mushy peas?

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 29870

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post

              Would it not be more likely to be a "take out" if with mushy peas?
              A regionalism
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Padraig
                Full Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 4196

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post

                Would it not be more likely to be a "take out" if with mushy peas?
                or, " to go"?

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                • smittims
                  Full Member
                  • Aug 2022
                  • 3741

                  'ahold' has a maritime ring to me, as in 'aback', 'astern' and ahoy!'

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                  • cloughie
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22066

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    I think that some people just need to get a grip.

                    Isn’t that called a ‘hold all’ now?

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                    • kernelbogey
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 5644

                      Originally posted by cloughie View Post

                      Isn’t that called a ‘hold all’ now?
                      Mostly 'gym bag' now.

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                      • Old Grumpy
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3521

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

                        Mostly 'gym bag' now.
                        Not by me it isn't!

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post

                          Mostly 'gym bag' now.
                          Is that the influence of the Eton gang? At Eton, while books may not be carried in satchels or back-packs, gym-wear may.

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                          • Pulcinella
                            Host
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 10667

                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post

                            Is that the influence of the Eton gang? At Eton, while books may not be carried in satchels or back-packs, gym-wear may.
                            Do the scholars expect their fags (am I allowed to say that?) to carry their books around for them, then?

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                            • kernelbogey
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5644

                              In my teens (c1958-60) we all had 'duffel bags' - with a cord that doubled as drawstring around the neck of the bag and as the shoulder strap.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                                Do the scholars expect their fags (am I allowed to say that?) to carry their books around for them, then?
                                Fagging is now a thing of the past but books are still dumped on the library steps for hours, and occasionally for days, at a time before being picked up again by the student who dumped them there.

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