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  • oddoneout
    Full Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 9135

    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
    What makes a pretty flower an invasive weed? Discuss.
    An attractive flower arising from a totally uncivilised rootstock... Celandine flowers are attractive, but the plant gets everywhere thanks to the bulbils and makes a smothering carpet which requires a lot of persistence to control let alone eradicate. Ground elder has a pretty flower but again, the plant from which it arises has no manners.
    Some garden plants fall into that category as well, but not so many in my experience.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12765

      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
      the bulbils
      ... bulbils! A new word for me - many thanks

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      • gurnemanz
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7379

        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
        An attractive flower arising from a totally uncivilised rootstock... Celandine flowers are attractive, but the plant gets everywhere thanks to the bulbils and makes a smothering carpet which requires a lot of persistence to control let alone eradicate. Ground elder has a pretty flower but again, the plant from which it arises has no manners.
        Some garden plants fall into that category as well, but not so many in my experience.
        The word bulbil was a new to me. I googled 'celandine bulbil' and I was surprised to discover that you can actually buy them. https://www.wildflowershop.co.uk/Bul...ine%20Lssr.htm
        As someone who disposes of them buy the bucketful, I would have thought there should he a warning about their tendency to proliferate and take over.

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        • gradus
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5601

          Apart from their pretty flowers the three-sided onions widely resident in our garden have edible bulbils - a useful weed.

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 10872

            Photo caption in today's Times (my bold):

            The foreign secretary has covered more than 75,000 miles in his first 200 days, excelling any of his predecessors over the same time frame

            Wrong word, surely?

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30205

              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              Photo caption in today's Times (my bold):

              The foreign secretary has covered more than 75,000 miles in his first 200 days, excelling any of his predecessors over the same time frame

              Wrong word, surely?
              Unless cleverly playing with words to pay a compliment to an excellent foreign secretary (I'd forgotten who he was and had to check).
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • gurnemanz
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7379

                Seems to be the wrong choice if the writer means to say "more than" rather than "better than" which would be the more usual connotation of "excel".

                Eg Chambers:

                transitive verb:
                To be superior to or better than
                To surpass
                To exceed (Milton)

                intransitive verb:
                To have good qualities in large measure
                To perform exceptional actions
                To be superior or better
                To be exceptionally good at (with in or at)

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9135

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  Photo caption in today's Times (my bold):

                  The foreign secretary has covered more than 75,000 miles in his first 200 days, excelling any of his predecessors over the same time frame

                  Wrong word, surely?
                  Well it's excelling at adding to the pollution/climate difficulties isn't it? But I doubt irony was the aim; it's not knowing the correct word, and excel and exceed sound sufficiently close to be subject to "it'll do" if anyone bothers to check...

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30205

                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    Seems to be the wrong choice if the writer means to say "more than" rather than "better than" which would be the more usual connotation of "excel".
                    One is quality, the other is amount.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37559

                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                      Photo caption in today's Times (my bold):

                      The foreign secretary has covered more than 75,000 miles in his first 200 days, excelling any of his predecessors over the same time frame

                      Wrong word, surely?
                      Perhaps journeys were plotted on Excel!

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                      • Pulcinella
                        Host
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 10872

                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        Perhaps journeys were plotted on Excel!

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                        • Pulcinella
                          Host
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 10872

                          The Guardian today:

                          People in Britain have more confidence in the EU than the UK parliament, reversing a state of affairs that has lasted for more than 30 years, research reveals.

                          On first reading, I took this to mean:

                          People in Britain have more confidence in the EU than the UK parliament does, reversing a state of affairs that has lasted for more than 30 years, research reveals.

                          But it really means:

                          People in Britain have more confidence in the EU than in the UK parliament, reversing a state of affairs that has lasted for more than 30 years, research reveals.

                          If I'd been writing the story, I think I would have included the in.

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                          • smittims
                            Full Member
                            • Aug 2022
                            • 4034

                            Yes, I agree with you. I thought that's what they meant, but I saw it was not what they said.

                            Ambiguities and uncertainties of this kind seem to me to be more frequent. Can it be that fewer journalists today have been taught grammar?

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30205

                              Originally posted by smittims View Post
                              Yes, I agree with you. I thought that's what they meant, but I saw it was not what they said.
                              Yes, I 'misread' it, too.

                              Meanwhile I had to chase up the OED on this Headline "Gwyneth Paltrow accuser apologises for 'King Kong' ski trial jab". Did it mean jibe? Can 'jab' mean jibe too? Apparently, it can. Americanism, but this provokes the question: but why would anyone choose jab rather than jibe - unless they were American?
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • smittims
                                Full Member
                                • Aug 2022
                                • 4034

                                Maybe they wanted to appear 'up to date'. In the same way people say 'cathartic', without knowing what it means, because they've heard others say it and it sounds cool.

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