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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26516

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... and then again, if you wish, cf -

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...&defid=1815231
    Je mourrai moins bête!
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Nick Armstrong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 26516

      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
      As soon as I see an Englishman writing 'generally' I know there is no rule as such and you can make it up as you go along

      It's not pedantry; it's snobbery

      Or should that be 'snobery'
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Anna

        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        Or should that be 'snobery'
        Snobery = urban slang = smartarse! No, to stay ontopic, I always use a double ss in the word under discussion.

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        • MrGongGong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post

          Or should that be 'snobery'
          or even this ?


          Snowboy & the Latin Section headline at the Nuits Du Sud festival in Vence, France. Snowboy (aka Mark Cotgrove) is a UK-based Afro Cuban percussionist, bandl...

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          • french frank
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            • Feb 2007
            • 30209

            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... I wd tend to Walpoling. The -l rule has various exceptions - appealed, appealing; travailed, travailing.

            So far in our litrachur I think the word "Walpoling" is hapax legomenon, no?
            If it's from Walpole, my inclination would be to include the 'e' : age - ageing (another disputed point. House style at the media organ where once I toiled was to include the 'e', and old habits &c.) Walpolling would be the pres. part from 'to Walpoll'. N'existe pas.
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • french frank
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              • Feb 2007
              • 30209

              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
              As soon as I see an Englishman writing 'generally' I know there is no rule as such and you can make it up as you go along
              Fit ither cud it be?

              general + ly = general-ly, generally

              correct + ly = correct-ly, correctly

              full + ly = full-ly, fullly

              Last edited by french frank; 10-06-12, 14:50. Reason: Am51 pointed out an embarrrrassing typo
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • gurnemanz
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                • Nov 2010
                • 7380

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                If it's from Walpole, my inclination would be to include the 'e' : age - ageing (another disputed point. House style at the media organ where once I toiled was to include the 'e', and old habits &c.) Walpolling would be the pres. part from 'to Walpoll'. N'existe pas.
                Anyone for a bit of "flagpoling"? (probably not)

                I learnt three new meanings here:
                Allowing your boner to stand straight up, making it visible to all who are around.

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                • amateur51

                  Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                  Anyone for a bit of "flagpoling"? (probably not)

                  I learnt three new meanings here:
                  http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=flagpoling
                  Is this what actrines mean by 'building your part'?

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26516

                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    Anyone for a bit of "flagpoling"? (probably not)

                    I learnt three new meanings here:
                    http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=flagpoling
                    I clicked on that link with a trepidation which was fully justified by the contents!

                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • mangerton
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3346

                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      I clicked on that link with a trepidation which was fully justified by the contents!

                      Quite. I'd have been happy to remain in ignorance of that.

                      To get back to "focus", I must admit to preferring - not prefering - the single s, but I'm not bothered either way.

                      I'm far more concerned that the word now appears to be a synonym for "concentrate". Whose idea was that? As ams51 has pointed out, the word should be confined to physics and to optically-related matters.

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                      • french frank
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30209

                        Originally posted by mangerton View Post
                        As ams51 has pointed out, the word should be confined to physics and to optically-related matters.
                        Hmmm. It's Latin for 'hearth' or 'fire' (French feu) so I think a range of meaning is allowable.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Flosshilde
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7988

                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          I clicked on that link with a trepidation which was fully justified by the contents!

                          Hmm - I suspect it's more a case of 'urban myth' than 'urban dictionary' (on the basis that the second definition is more usually known as 'tenting' )

                          However, if you have the misfortune to be in a meeting with the type of person who says (of an idea) "let's run it up a flagpole & see if anyone salutes" you can look suitably shocked & tell them to wash their mouths out.

                          As far as focus(s)ed is concerned, I think it suggests something more emphatic than 'concentrating'.

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                          • Pabmusic
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                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                            I clicked on that link with a trepidation which was fully justified by the contents!

                            Me too ... [recovers in tranquility] ... Well, I suppose it's American, hence the single 'l'. That was Noah Webster's idea (single 'l's, not flagpoling). Webster was a teetotal, humourless, puritanical bore and busybody. His spelling tutor became the biggest-selling book in the USA, after the bible. Fortunately, many of his reformed spellings didn't 'take': soop, bred, wimmen, groop, definit, fether, fugitiv, bild. He was very inconsistent, though, and retained the 'u' in glamour, and the 're' in acre, whilst advocating the -or and -er endings elsewhere. He also insisted on the pronunciation of lieutenant as lootenant (something resisted by the US military until the 1890s!). (It's been pronounced leftenant since it entered the language in the 14th century, although lootenant was never far away. It may represent a French dialect pronunciation, or simply a contemporary fad.)

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                            • vinteuil
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12767

                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              He also insisted on the pronunciation of lieutenant as lootenant (something resisted by the US military until the 1890s!). (It's been pronounced leftenant since it entered the language in the 14th century, although lootenant was never far away. It may represent a French dialect pronunciation, or simply a contemporary fad.)
                              ... 'leftenant' in the British Army - but traditionalists in the Royal Navy wd say 'lootènant commander'.

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20569

                                Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                                Webster was a teetotal, humourless, puritanical bore and busybody. His spelling tutor became the biggest-selling book in the USA, after the bible. Fortunately, many of his reformed spellings didn't 'take': soop, bred, wimmen, groop, definit, fether, fugitiv, bild. He was very inconsistent, though, and retained the 'u' in glamour, and the 're' in acre, whilst advocating the -or and -er endings elsewhere..
                                Sometimes, he just liked to be difficult (like driving on the right). Hence "fulfill".

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