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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37303

    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
    I imagine next year will be 20–20 (twenty twenty), though whether or not we'll all have perfect vision for the future will remain to be seen!
    The ancient little ditty by which I was first taught to count as a nipper went "nineteen, twenty, my plate's empty"!

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    • LMcD
      Full Member
      • Sep 2017
      • 8091

      For reasons that I don't need to explain - oh, alright, I like gawping at Linda Thorson - I found myself watching the last few minutes of a repeat of 'The Chase'. The host announced that 'The Chaser', who's supposed to know all the answers, 'got only 1 question wrong' - NO SHE DIDN'T!

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      • kernelbogey
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 5644

        Originally posted by LMcD View Post
        For reasons that I don't need to explain - oh, alright, I like gawping at Linda Thorson - I found myself watching the last few minutes of a repeat of 'The Chase'. The host announced that 'The Chaser', who's supposed to know all the answers, 'got only 1 question wrong' - NO SHE DIDN'T!
        Was it the wrong question that she got the right answer to?

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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12660

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
          For reasons that I don't need to explain - oh, alright, I like gawping at Linda Thorson - I found myself watching the last few minutes of a repeat of 'The Chase'. The host announced that 'The Chaser', who's supposed to know all the answers, 'got only 1 question wrong' - NO SHE DIDN'T!
          ... a pedant might aver - "all right is all right ; alright is all wrong."

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37303

            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... a pedant might aver - "all right is all right ; alright is all wrong."

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            I always thought they were referring to Madeleine Alright on the news.

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            • LMcD
              Full Member
              • Sep 2017
              • 8091

              At least TV reporter and consumer champion Matt is Allwright.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 10669

                The UK had been due to leave the EU on 29 March, but the deadline was pushed back to 31 October after Parliament was unable to agree a way forward.
                (BBC News site)

                Pushed back or pushed forward?
                Surely forward, if it's in the future?
                I think I've seen both, and admit to being confused which to use in similar circumstances (so I get round the problem by saying 'moved').
                This particular sentence is all the more awkward in using both back and forward!

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                • LezLee
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 634

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  The UK had been due to leave the EU on 29 March, but the deadline was pushed back to 31 October after Parliament was unable to agree a way forward.
                  (BBC News site)

                  Pushed back or pushed forward?
                  Surely forward, if it's in the future?
                  I think I've seen both, and admit to being confused which to use in similar circumstances (so I get round the problem by saying 'moved').
                  This particular sentence is all the more awkward in using both back and forward!
                  This has always puzzled me too. 'Brought forward' works fine but I can't think my way round the opposite!

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 29874

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    The UK had been due to leave the EU on 29 March, but the deadline was pushed back to 31 October after Parliament was unable to agree a way forward.
                    (BBC News site)

                    Pushed back or pushed forward?
                    I suppose 'push back' implies pushed further away than the immediate now. So you also bring something forward to 'now'. Put back means put it off. ('Push back' is also the new term for 'object to', 'disagree with' sthg). 'Bring forward' is easier to explain because to bring means move sthg towards, whereas you push sthg away.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • oddoneout
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 8958

                      I find it a rather confusing term and have to read again sometimes to check that a date is actually being postponed. I'm not sure why 'put back' cannot be used(which to me seems to sit better as the opposite to 'brought forward') - perhaps the deadline element implies there has to be some force involved - a struggle to get one's way?

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 29874

                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                        I'm not sure why 'put back' cannot be used(which to me seems to sit better as the opposite to 'brought forward')
                        Isn't 'put back' the usual term? In the example quoted here as 'push back', I took it to indicate in that context some pressure involved (You Have No Choice).
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • oddoneout
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 8958

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Isn't 'put back' the usual term? In the example quoted here as 'push back', I took it to indicate in that context some pressure involved (You Have No Choice).
                          'Push back' seems to be gaining traction(!) over 'put back'.

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                          • LMcD
                            Full Member
                            • Sep 2017
                            • 8091

                            I'm not sure whether these have been mentioned before, but, in view of my particular interest in things German, I would respectfully point out that:
                            (a) The surname of the German Chancellor is pronounced so as to rhyme with 'Marecull', not 'Murkel', and the 'g' in Angela is hard
                            (b) 'Bayer' is pronounced so as to rhyme with 'Buyer' and not 'Bayuh' - e.g. as in Bayern Munich, which most soccer fans get right.

                            On the non-German front, I see that 'AdVERsary' is now preferred by some to 'ADversary'.

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                            • oddoneout
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 8958

                              Mention has been made before I think of the problem of homonyms not being checked before use, but I notice that it seems to be slipping to what might be termed 'pseudo-homonyms'. I suspect that predictive text coupled with ignorance is a main cause.
                              One that I have seen several times recently is defuse/diffuse confusion which, as was pointed out BTL on a Guardian interview with Dr Ruth Westheimer, can be unfortunate. "Humour and charm has[sic] long been Westheimer's reflex for diffusing anxiety and shame".

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                              • gurnemanz
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7353

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                                (a) The surname of the German Chancellor is pronounced so as to rhyme with 'Marecull', not 'Murkel', and the 'g' in Angela is hard
                                Reigning Wimbledon Champion, Angelique Kerber, tends to get the same treatment - usually referred to as "curber"

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