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  • Pabmusic
    Full Member
    • May 2011
    • 5537

    Talking of horses, here's a bit of Medieval language develoment. I think I've posted about it before, but I can't find it.

    Hackney Marshes were famous for the horses bred there. They were generally 'everyday' working horses - neither destriers nor heavy ploghing types. In particular, they were the horses inns would hire out to travellers leaving London, or carters would use. They were known as Hackney nags (this also became a term for a prostitute), often shortened to hacks. The name was then applied to the work - particularly to any kind of repetitative drudgery that was 'hackneyed'. Then the people who did hack-work became 'hacks' (I think we're in the 18th century now). And of course the usage still remains for writers of a certain type of journalistic drudgery.

    Of course, various attempts to regulate the hire of horses and their successors led to the Hackney Carriage Acts.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30209

      Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
      And of course the usage still remains for writers of a certain type of journalistic drudgery.
      I did not know that. Thank you

      [But to M Vinteuil: some of those links to Primitive Indo-European were above my little European noddle, but interesting all the same ]
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • kernelbogey
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 5735

        Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
        Talking of horses, here's a bit of Medieval language develo[p]ment. I think I've posted about it before, but I can't find it[....]
        And of course 'hack' in the sense ' A ride on a horse, typically through countryside' (OED).

        (Just spent several serendipitous minutes in online OED, helpfully provided by my local library to me as a member.)

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        • un barbu
          Full Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 131

          There's a fine book on literary drudges (and worse) by Pat Rogers: "Hacks and Dunces: Pope, Swift and Grub Street." Dr Johnson defines 'grubstreet' thus: 'Originally the name of a street in Moorfields in London, much inhabited by writers of small histories, dictionaries, and temporary poems; whence any mean production is called grubstreet.'
          Barbatus sed non barbarus

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          • vinteuil
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12768

            Originally posted by un barbu View Post
            There's a fine book on literary drudges...
            ... we recall Dr Johnson's own definition of a lexicographer - 'a writer of dictionaries; a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the signification of words.'


            .

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37560

              "Students get first hand job experience" -

              Heading on unspecified newspaper link on Facebook today.

              Just goes to show the importance of correct hyphen placement!

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                "Students get first hand job experience" -
                Heading on unspecified newspaper link on Facebook today.
                Just goes to show the importance of correct hyphen placement!
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • teamsaint
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25190

                  All rather unsavoury.

                  which reminds me...Savoury, and unsavoury......not really opposites.
                  Discuss.
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • kernelbogey
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5735

                    An interesting report in the Guardian today of a new study, from the University of Pennsylvania, and published in Nature, into how language evolves: the researchers show how random chaance plays a part.

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22110

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      All rather unsavoury.

                      which reminds me...Savoury, and unsavoury......not really opposites.
                      Discuss.
                      Actually they are if you take the different meanings of savoury, although when referring to food usually the opposite is sweet!

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                      • Stanfordian
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 9308

                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        "Students get first hand job experience" -

                        Heading on unspecified newspaper link on Facebook today.

                        Just goes to show the importance of correct hyphen placement!
                        Just goes to show the state of one's mind. Whether clean or ......

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20569

                          SOUTHAMPTON is in the south.
                          NORTHAMPTON is in the south too, though it's further north than Southampton.
                          EASTHAMPTON is in the west.
                          WESTHAMPTON is definitely in the west, as it's in the USA.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            SOUTHAMPTON is in the south.
                            NORTHAMPTON is in the south too, though it's further north than Southampton.
                            EASTHAMPTON is in the west.
                            WESTHAMPTON is definitely in the west, as it's in the USA.
                            I love the way Middlesbrough hedges its bets.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              I love the way Middlesbrough hedges its bets.
                              And as for Middlesex ...

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37560

                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                SOUTHAMPTON is in the south.
                                NORTHAMPTON is in the south too, though it's further north than Southampton.
                                EASTHAMPTON is in the west.
                                WESTHAMPTON is definitely in the west, as it's in the USA.
                                As for Littlehampton...

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