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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... I think "saze" is regional. It is not in my idiolect, and, yes, for me it grates.
    I'm surpized: how else is "says"/"days" pronounced?
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12961

      .

      ... ho ferney - you're not a 'regional', by any chance?


      .

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30523

        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
        As for the OED ... it may just be reflecting common misusage.
        It's a historic dictionary which records usage (and abusage). But mainly usage.

        If you pronounce the d fully, you will be inserting an extra schwa: Wedənesday - which isn't there. You may also be omitting the 3rd e: Wedənsday. Phonetic development is what changes the sound of words over time and why we're not speaking Old English. It's why the French say cheval instead of equus.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20576

          And yet the OED prefers ...ize endings on the grounds of Ancient Greek, despite the fact that hardly anyone in Britain uses these spellings.

          As for Woden's Day . . .

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30523

            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            My son corrected me on the pronunciation of Wednesday, when he was four years old and learning to read. I've pronounced it correctly ever since. As for the OED ... they may just be reflecting common misusage.
            How did I answer this post before you'd posted it?

            Ah - you posted the same one half an hour ago
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
              ... ho ferney - you're not a 'regional', by any chance?
              No, not "by chance" ... by design!
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                How did I answer this post before you'd posted it?
                Ahead of your time, frenchie ... ahead of your time.


                (Well - by two minutes, at any rate.)
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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11128

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  It's a historic dictionary which records usage (and abusage). But mainly usage.

                  If you pronounce the d fully, you will be inserting an extra schwa: Wedənesday - which isn't there. You may also be omitting the 3rd e: Wedənsday. Phonetic development is what changes the sound of words over time and why we're not speaking Old English. It's why the French say cheval instead of equus.
                  But then more like Wodin's day, perhaps?
                  Did equus really morph phonetically into cheval?

                  (Or even Woden's day, as Alpie says!)

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30523

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Did equus really morph phonetically into cheval?
                    No. Cheval came from Low Latin caballus . But any phonetician can 'demonstrate' the stages by which equus became cheval
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12961

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      I'm surprized: how else is "says"/"days" pronounced?
                      ... so you wd ectually say "Saze Laze" - or "Saze Lez" [ ?? ] rather than "Sez Lez"???


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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20576

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        Phonetic development is what changes the sound of words over time and why we're not speaking Old English. It's why the French say cheval instead of equus.
                        I wonder how/why "equus" became "cavallo" in modern Latin

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ... so you wd ectually say "Saze Laze" - or "Saze Lez" [ ?? ] rather than "Sez Lez"???
                          Absolutely not - but to emphasize my disbelief I would use the "daze" rhyme if I'd drawled something like "Well everyone says they don't like Schönberg, but we know that this is only snobbishness".
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20576

                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            I wonder how/why "equus" became "cavallo" in modern Latin
                            Oh, I've just read post 3744.

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                            • vinteuil
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12961

                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Absolutely not - but to emphasize my disbelief I would use the "daze" rhyme if I'd drawled something like "Well everyone says they don't like Schönberg, but we know that this is only snobbishness".
                              ... innarestin'. I just could not think of myself ever pronouncing 'says' as ennyfink other than 'sez'.

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20576

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                No. Cheval came from Low Latin caballus . But any phonetician can 'demonstrate' the stages by which equus became cheval
                                But we're equus and caballus in any way related.

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