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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20569

    Originally posted by jean View Post
    The whole idea of a future tense is strange really;
    The future on Radio 3 is anything that might take place after 1900.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      The future on Radio 3 is anything that might take place after 1900.
      Except for those pesky concerts that begin at 1830.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30206

        I invented the phrase 'casual tourists' in this context. Yes, I did.

        What I meant really was the more local visitors having a day out, wandering around the streets shopping or meeting friends. But I think they would properly be called day visitors, not tourists. So I was wrong, wrong, wrong. And I'm sorry.

        I would call tourists those who had come from afar to look at the famed Georgian architecture or the famed Roman remains or visit the Holburne museum.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30206

          Originally posted by jean View Post
          I think there's a subtle difference in meaning.
          But I agree with your grammatical distinction, and what I meant was the council thought people liked buskers busking about the place. So they encouraged them.
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 20569

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            I invented the phrase 'casual tourists' in this context. Yes, I did.
            Oh NOW you tell us.

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            • jean
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              But I agree with your grammatical distinction, and what I meant was the council thought people liked buskers busking about the place. So they encouraged them.
              I thought that that was what you thought - except that I thought it was BANES actually said, and that you were quoting from them rather than from yourself on another thread!

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30206

                Originally posted by jean View Post
                I thought that that was what you thought - except that I thought it was BANES actually said, and that you were quoting from them rather than from yourself on another thread!
                Bein' local like, I have heard it expressed as a council view. But I copied over the sentence because vinteuil ordered me to parse it, which seemed more pedantry (parsing it) than Platform 3.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37560

                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  I suggest a casual tourist is rather like a spokesperson - a source of evidence that cannot be confirmed; i.e. a supposition.
                  An anecdotalist, possibly, then...

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                  • mercia
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8920

                    is there a dictionary definition of reckon ? - should it always involve maths ?

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                    • Frances_iom
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 2411

                      Originally posted by mercia View Post
                      is there a dictionary definition of reckon ? - should it always involve maths ?
                      yes for definition look up OED - 3 columns dating from c.1200 various meaning all involving some degree of estimating value or placeing in some order - no for always including maths - many are subjective qualities

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                      • kernelbogey
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5735

                        Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                        yes for definition look up OED - 3 columns dating from c.1200 various meaning all involving some degree of estimating value or placeing in some order - no for always including maths - many are subjective qualities
                        I reckon this is meaning 10c of the OED online entry for the verb, cited as 'colloquial'. I reckon it's moved on a bit in usage since that entry, which is the closest I can get to how I reckon it's now used.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30206

                          Originally posted by mercia View Post
                          is there a dictionary definition of reckon ? - should it always involve maths ?
                          Colloquial meaning would be: I reckon = It is my opinion that/I estimate that/I judge that/ I 'calculate' that?

                          Note also 'reckless' - not calculating, judging, estimating, weighing up (before acting).
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5735

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Colloquial meaning would be: I reckon = It is my opinion that/I estimate that/I judge that/ I 'calculate' that?

                            Note also 'reckless' - not calculating, judging, estimating, weighing up (before acting).
                            Reading the OED's definitions, it looks as though it may have migrated from a purely regional usage, eg 'This sort of discussion belongs on Pedant's Corner, I reckon'.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30206

                              Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                              Reading the OED's definitions, it looks as though it may have migrated from a purely regional usage, eg 'This sort of discussion belongs on Pedant's Corner, I reckon'.
                              Or "Reckon so, ol' timer" (US usage)
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12766

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post

                                Note also 'reckless' - not calculating, judging, estimating, weighing up (before acting).
                                ... but note further : is it Cunningham or Caldwell?

                                An outline of the law on recklessness and its role in establishing criminal liability. Contains a consideration of the key cases of MPC v Caldwell, R v Cunningham and R v G & R with a consideration of the impact and problems with each type of recklessness


                                [ and please let us not descend to consider Tory turncoats who take the yellow penny of UKIP... ]

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