"The innate hostility of inanimate objects"

[Nick Armstrong]

Isobel Briggs Myers of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI)...

I think there's a lot in those analyses (which we got into heavily at a former place of employ of mine).

What never computed for me was that Ms Briggs Myers's indicators were referred to as 'Myers-Briggs' though...

Till I realised that he mum, Mrs Briggs, was involved.

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my%2Dmbti%2Dpersonality%2Dtype/mbti%2Dbasics/

PS Lat - I haven't understood either of your posts 113 & 115... What does that make me?

[teamsaint]

I think there's a lot in those analyses (which we got into heavily at a former place of employ of mine).

What never computed for me was that Ms Briggs Myers's indicators were referred to as 'Myers-Briggs' though...

Till I realised that he mum, Mrs Briggs, was involved.

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my%2Dmbti%2Dpersonality%2Dtype/mbti%2Dbasics/

PS Lat - I haven't understood either of your posts 113 & 115... What does that make me?

Do you log in to this forum expecting to find stuff you understand then Caliban?
I am impressed !!

[LeMartinPecheur]

Diagnosed.

It is interesting that you should both be an I and your youngest daughter an E. I don't have enough knowledge of any of these fields to comment sensibly but wouldn't age be some sort of factor in the case of both of your daughters and the way that they appear? Certainly I used to cope with London and now I can't. And I note that your youngest hasn't been through the MBT yet.

I have never been a subscriber to astrology but did go into it a bit more than 20 years ago. The combination of arrangements in mine makes sense to me but it may well be coincidental. I am fairly sceptical about it now - but I could work with it on my terms.

MBTI theory says you're born one or the other. I believe identical/non-identical twin studies support this.

My own first introduction to MBTI (before my full diganosis) brought me home with a slim book of its 16 types. I pointed to the INTP page (premature self-diagnosis!) and asked my wife if it sounded like me. Her answer was "Maybe, but it's definitely xxx" (daughter #1, who would then have been in her early teens).

[Nick Armstrong]

Do you log in to this forum expecting to find stuff you understand then Caliban?
I am impressed !!

Maybe a separate thread should be commenced for personality analysis? It would seem somewhat ultra vires the 'inanimate object' thrust of this one...

[Serial_Apologist]

Maybe a separate thread should be commenced for personality analysis? It would seem somewhat ultra vires the 'inanimate object' thrust of this one...

A sort of "transitional object", in Kleinian psychoanalytic terms, then.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Winnicott on transitional objects surely? [where did i leave that blanket etc] and Searle on 'inanimate matters' would be firm advice ..... certainly NOT that Klein person ..... and er excuse me but how does an inanimate entity transmit information genetically or learn from experience ....? ... it has no will rather obeys the laws of physics .... is gravity flaky?

[Lateralthinking1]

Lat - I haven't understood either of your posts 113 & 115... What does that make me?

Literal?

I am not wholly with Myers-Briggs on the "identity for life" thing because I believe people can become very different if they win the national lottery or have to fight in Vietnam etc. Experience can change individuals radically. Of that I am in absolutely no doubt.

There are connections in coincidences. When it seems that there is always a fuse on gloomy days, and one needs to wait for a brighter day to be able to see to fix it, there might be a practical reason for it having happened. For example, perhaps more light, more heat etc were required on that day because of the weather, leading to greater pressures on the electrical system. This does though go much further in my mind. Arguably it is most likely to happen at the end of a period of greater use of energy. That use would not have happened if the person concerned had stayed in bed. I would then see the occurrence as an indication of a need for rest or more natural light to get everything working again. That the fuse cannot be attended to immediately supports this.

Where people collide with inanimate objects and there is company, it is on the surface an accident. It's also rather odd if it is in the course of routine and in a familiar place. I would say that deeper down, it could in some circumstances take place in order to clarify discourse with those in the immediate vicinity. Maybe confusion in earlier dialogue was sufficient to cause poor coordination.

I very much believe in the idea that you can drive to the supermarket on one day, do your shopping and drive back. Everyone seems upbeat and pleasant. On another day, you can go through exactly the same routine and everybody seems dire beyond belief. One's own demeanour can have a bearing on others' reactions and any interpretation and, of course, there can be practical reasons for differences like terrible weather or returning from a Christmas break. But what I also believe is that there is a natural counter-balance. If it has been partying all the way, a person's instinct may well be to pick up on the negative vibes of those around them to calm down. If bored, there comes a point when they are ready not to be bored and are drawn to positive types.

I find the area of delays interesting. You have to go to a meeting and are not looking forward to it. You get out of bed five minutes late. That is the morning of all mornings that the train arrives 5 minutes early. You feel that you are being blocked from getting there but have the greater sense that you have done it to yourself. Had you got up at the usual time, none of this would have happened. Well, yes, so far as it goes but then one must realise that you could get up five minutes late and everything runs like clockwork. You don't want to get there on time but the world has seen to it that you should do. It is my belief that what happens in the journey is designed to affect the way the meeting goes. It either reinforces your instinctive doubts about it or it tells you that it is going to happen and be successful whatever you think. Deep down, I'm never wholly surprised about how the journey goes because I know from what happens if the meeting is really needed, whatever my feelings about the prospect of attendance.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

............. mebbe one is trying to be inanimate to express hostility? resistance etc ..... lying doggo playing dead .... even hypochondria must have an element of inanimate blockage, a failure to move at will ... look ma not me! my speciality in the field of imitating inanimate matter is laziness or idleness or call it what you will ....

this thread has brought home to me the inordinate passive hostility of humans ... which we smear around ourselves like the the faecal wall art in the Maze and blithely deny the smell ..... most of our intent in relationships is conveyed by stillness and silence, slab or pole, a rock like determination to avoid recognising our aggression ...

[vinteuil]

There are connections in coincidences.

I think you are encountering our old friend the Poisson distribution -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

.... but you might also like to think about clusters -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_analysis

[Anna]

I think you are encountering our old friend the Poisson distribution

Indeed, and the old saying that death always comes in threes - that certainly has proved to be true here last month.

[Lateralthinking1]

............. mebbe one is trying to be inanimate to express hostility? resistance etc ..... lying doggo playing dead .... even hypochondria must have an element of inanimate blockage, a failure to move at will ... look ma not me! my speciality in the field of imitating inanimate matter is laziness or idleness or call it what you will ....

this thread has brought home to me the inordinate passive hostility of humans ... which we smear around ourselves like the the faecal wall art in the Maze and blithely deny the smell ..... most of our intent in relationships is conveyed by stillness and silence, slab or pole, a rock like determination to avoid recognising our aggression ...

Oh dear! I would say that when one sits on a bench for two years, there are insights into the speeds at which others drive and the way they are perceived does become different. Until that time, they would be viewed as "a bit mad", initially ever so slightly positively as well as negatively and later increasingly negatively. Ultimately they are seen to have no respect for life and yet they don't have a gun, nor are they formally in battle. Worse, they are also on the borderline of what is acceptable in the system.

I doubt that a decision not to move from the bench is a denial of one's own aggression. It is more a greater comprehension of the aggression that is virtually required to function fully in this society. A society which perversely also punishes such behaviour on rare occasions. In that way it is aggressively unpredictable, as is usually true of mixed signals. To my mind, for dangerous speeding to be both a virtual requirement and also punishable indicates that it is actually the system that is in denial of its own aggression. You will appreciate I mention the speeding driver as just one example of the requirement on everyone to risk killing people daily.

The feeling on the bench is that conflict may arise inadvertently and detrimentally where one is involved in such a scenario. For better or worse, personal aggression may arise in any party. Far better to avoid it all and stay sitting on the bench if one can do so, surely? I bashed a friend at the age of 7 in the "usual" way but there was no aggression on my part earlier. I was far from inanimate, happily walking miles of hills while older kids cried petulantly that they were tired. I appreciated the countryside and indeed life. But then I was an only child in a home as settled as any could be. Social systems rather than instincts are aggressors.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

don't just do something sit there huh .....

[Lateralthinking1]

don't just do something sit there huh .....

Excellent. I might have to borrow that phrase.

[Ferretfancy]

Has anybody read any good detective stories lately ?

[amateur51]

don't just do something sit there huh .....

Used to be tuck over the phone desks in some Samaritans branches when I was involved in training aeons ago.