Are you a friend of the BBC?

[Mr Pee]

My preferred newspaper costs £1.20/day and it's just shrunk alarmingly

Excellent news!! Less room for all the codswallop they print!!

[amateur51]

Excellent news!! Less room for all the codswallop they print!!

Legally obtained codswallop Mr Pee, unlike the scumbags at NI

[french frank]

When i say about "value for money, its a simple thing . Does the £3.6 bn actually give us what £3.6 bn should?

One of the 'metrics' (as we say) of Vfm (as we say, or Value for money) of the various services/stations/channels consists of dividing the amount of money they cost by the the number of people 'consuming' them (as we say).

Which is where one sees the difficulty the BBC has over Radio 3.

And one wonders whether the campaign to attract more listeners and the projected budget for Radio 3 at the end of this Charter period which puts Radio 3 at the bottom of the list of network stations - overtaken by Radio 1 - are somehow connected. More listeners, less expenditure = more Value for money.

['Rage, rage against the dying &c &c']

[LHC]

Legally obtained codswallop Mr Pee, unlike the scumbags at NI

The Operation Motorman files might suggest otherwise Am. The Grauniad's sister paper, the Observer, had at least 4 journalists who used the private detective Steve Whittamore to obtain information at least 103 times. The ICO's investigation suggests most of the information would have been obtained illegally.

For comparison, 23 NoW journalists were identified obtaining 228 pieces of information, while the figures for the Times were 1 and 2. The worst offenders were the Daily Mail (58 and 952), the Sunday People (50 and 802), the Daily Mirror (45 and 651) and the Mail on Sunday (33 and 226).

I understand that at least one Guardian journalist told students on a journalism course how to hack phones and the journalist sacked from the Times for phone hacking has since been employed by the Guardian.

NI may be despicable, but they are hardly alone amongst the British press in flouting the law.

[amateur51]

The Operation Motorman files might suggest otherwise Am. The Grauniad's sister paper, the Observer, had at least 4 journalists who used the private detective Steve Whittamore to obtain information at least 103 times. The ICO's investigation suggests most of the information would have been obtained illegally.

For comparison, 23 NoW journalists were identified obtaining 228 pieces of information, while the figures for the Times were 1 and 2. The worst offenders were the Daily Mail (58 and 952), the Sunday People (50 and 802), the Daily Mirror (45 and 651) and the Mail on Sunday (33 and 226).

I understand that at least one Guardian journalist told students on a journalism course how to hack phones and the journalist sacked from the Times for phone hacking has since been employed by the Guardian.

NI may be despicable, but they are hardly alone amongst the British press in flouting the law.

I'll see you at dawn with Mr Rusbridger & his Public Interest Defence, LHC

[Mr Pee]

The Operation Motorman files might suggest otherwise Am. The Grauniad's sister paper, the Observer, had at least 4 journalists who used the private detective Steve Whittamore to obtain information at least 103 times. The ICO's investigation suggests most of the information would have been obtained illegally.

For comparison, 23 NoW journalists were identified obtaining 228 pieces of information, while the figures for the Times were 1 and 2. The worst offenders were the Daily Mail (58 and 952), the Sunday People (50 and 802), the Daily Mirror (45 and 651) and the Mail on Sunday (33 and 226).

I understand that at least one Guardian journalist told students on a journalism course how to hack phones and the journalist sacked from the Times for phone hacking has since been employed by the Guardian.

NI may be despicable, but they are hardly alone amongst the British press in flouting the law.

NI may be guilty of many things; but the hypocrisy of the rest of the press over this affair has been truly breathtaking.

[LHC]

I'll see you at dawn with Mr Rusbridger & his Public Interest Defence, LHC

I am sure the other non-NI papers would also claim a public interest defence (although the scale of the Mail and the Mirror's activities might stretch credulity in that regard).

[Chris Newman]

This thread is wandering off the track. What have the misdemeanours of NI got to do directly with the BBC being value for money?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

i do not believe these simple minded sums do the trick at all; first the orchestras and proms; second there is a basic cost which most stations have to find just to operate as a radio station; so minus the orchestras minus the base cost, the premium cost per listener is what they are moaning about ..... and how then would 1 & 2 fare with celebrity presenter premiums ...

now if AUNT were not so stuffed full of non programme making executives and layers at top salaries it might not be so moot that a station like R3 is a premium cost station because there is no other way of doing it .... not if you want active quality orchestras in the major cities ...

[Osborn]

One of the 'metrics' (as we say) of Vfm (as we say, or Value for money) of the various services/stations/channels consists of dividing the amount of money they cost by the the number of people 'consuming' them (as we say).

No, that's not quite right. The measure is cost per listener hour -increasing the size of total audience by (say) 5%, has exactly the same effect on 'Value' as getting the audience to listen for 5% longer. (You'd better tell 'We...'!)

[handsomefortune]

(every time i read lateralthinking1's thread title, i get a recurring echo 'do i consider harold shipman a friend')?

i do not believe these simple minded sums do the trick at all

me neither calum da jazbo. childish - at best.
eg
what is the life, memory and music of charles mingus worth?

a) a loaf of posh bread? b)3 pints of bitter? c) a seat on the bus to birmingham?

how to save the beeb corp(se) from haunting itself.......... ?

what would lord reith advise, a citizens arrest of members of the trust maybe, and the immediate 'letting go' of celebrity presenters? dg's in the stocks....old furry tomatoes supplied to the public......... etc as the corp don't seem to be getting the message - just seem to issue more silly sums, illogical equations instead. might have known they'd use 'math v the arts' - shame there's not some more representative 'equivalents' supplied by imaginative mathematicians, which do exist, they're just not allowed to speak(much).

[3rd Viennese School]

talking about the BBC, and Radio 3 's commitment to new music I see that Hear and Now, one of the only New Music programmes thats on only once every week, has been reduced by 15 minutes to make way for even more Wagner!

[3rd Viennese School]

actually ,its Jazz requests thats in the way.

Wots it doing in THAT slot???

(Bet Channnel 4 wouldnt do that!)

3VS

[handsomefortune]

opera from the ny met(+added bs) has shunted 'jazzy requests' from pm, to night time slot per chance?

[Serial_Apologist]

actually ,its Jazz requests thats in the way.

Wots it doing in THAT slot???

(Bet Channnel 4 wouldnt do that!)

3VS

Very good question...