An Unwelcome Encounter with an Ancient Ancestor

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  • gamba
    Late member
    • Dec 2010
    • 575

    An Unwelcome Encounter with an Ancient Ancestor

    Something about the problems Edinburgh Zoo are having in getting their Pandas to 'get together' reminded me of a rather worrying occasion which occured to me.

    It was a cold, wet & dreary landscape somewhere in southern Scotland, our destination, a disused coal mine. Although on arrival it was anything but; high walls, barbed wire eveywhere, solid gates, warning signs etc.. We were escorted in, along damp dark corridors, then more gates, more corridors, ultimately into a vast area with two large metal cages. The first contained a very large baboon, the other, two more baboons. The procedure was explained to me. These animals were being used for test purposes & I was to film the outcome of the effect of a particular drug and it's effect at various strengths. I had, in my innocence, expected to poke the camera lens through the mesh of the cage. Oh no ! I was to join the very large baboon in his cage, whilst....wait for it !! he watched his own female being mated by a strange male in the cage alongside. I was there for I don't know how long, shrieking & screaming ( the ape - not me ) as he circled overhead, being sprayed by his urine was the least of my worries. The worst was to come, the man in charge was called away, urgently. This resulted in him passing his rifle ( for emergency use ) over to the producer of the film & who, I quickly established, didn't know one end from the other !!

    However, it ultimately came to an end, it had to, I had run out of film.

    The man in charge returned. I told him I thought that on several occasions ( the ape ) was about to attack & tear me apart. Those surely must have been the baboons feelings about me, an alien creature, whilst in the adjoining cage his own mate was being ' got at ' by a strange male baboon.

    " No " said he, " he would have been in a heightened state of rage, frustration & sexual arousement & much more likely to have had a powerful urge to mate with you."
  • salymap
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5969

    #2
    Blimey Gamba, you have certainly experienced life in the raw. What a wonderful story

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    • amateur51

      #3
      Originally posted by salymap View Post
      Blimey Gamba, you have certainly experienced life in the raw. What a wonderful story
      Great story, gamba - makes the vicissitudes of strap-hanging on the London Underground pale into insignificance

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      • mercia
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8920

        #4
        that anecdote reads like the scenario of one of my cheese-induced nightmares

        Last edited by mercia; 06-04-12, 09:56.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by gamba View Post
          " No " said he, " he would have been in a heightened state of rage, frustration & sexual arousement & much more likely to have had a powerful urge to mate with you."
          Erm ... just give me that address again would you, gambs?
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Flay
            Full Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 5792

            #6
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Erm ... just give me that address again would you, gambs?
            Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26461

              #7
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              Erm ... just give me that address again would you, gambs?
              I'll second Flay's and raise you a and a

              That comment had me chuckling for ages

              And just as I was recovering from the mind boggling story in #1 and reeling from the insight into mercia's dream-life in #4...!!

              What a thread!! Cheers gamba and congrats on a great esc-ape
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • mercia
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8920

                #8
                I think I need a bit of background information to this story. Why was this happening in a disused coal mine ?

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                • Pabmusic
                  Full Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 5537

                  #9
                  I have received this email from a militant baboon of my acquaintance. I promised to pass it on:

                  "We of the Old World Monkeys Alliance want it to be on record that baboons are neither apes nor ancestors of any human. Admittedly, we are quite distant cousins - but then so is every other living thing. We would mount a public protest (Baboons are proud to be non-hominoid! Papio pride! Cercopithecinae not hominidae!) but it's much more rewarding to stay here and pick fleas off each other."

                  Great anecdote, anyway.

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                  • amateur51

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                    I have received this email from a militant baboon of my acquaintance. I promised to pass it on:

                    "We of the Old World Monkeys Alliance want it to be on record that baboons are neither apes nor ancestors of any human. Admittedly, we are quite distant cousins - but then so is every other living thing. We would mount a public protest (Baboons are proud to be non-hominoid! Papio pride! Cercopithecinae not hominidae!) but it's much more rewarding to stay here and pick fleas off each other."

                    Great anecdote, anyway.
                    Triffic stuff, Pab!

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                    • amateur51

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mercia View Post
                      I think I need a bit of background information to this story. Why was this happening in a disused coal mine ?

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                      • gamba
                        Late member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 575

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mercia View Post
                        I think I need a bit of background information to this story. Why was this happening in a disused coal mine ?
                        mercia, you may well ask. Possibly because the authorities in charge wished to keep their activities away from the publc gaze. I have refrained from mentioning them by name or the location.

                        Sometimes one has to work with undesirables, not that these people were. Although I do still have vivid memories of a little group living in Soho who admitted to ' removing ' the opposition involved in a highly lucrative gambling ploy. There was no doubt about the true significance of this comment. We later tried to get them to repeat the statement, pretending the camera was not running but leaving everything switched on except for the plug into the camera which I would activate unobtrusively with a slight nudge from my foot. However, I'm sorry to say they never repeated this remark.


                        Someone, hearing I was to join a certain TV programme renowned for it's crusading methods gave me some good advice - " always park facing out the way "

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 29932

                          #13
                          They'll be writing Shakespeare next http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17676129
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Pabmusic
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            #14
                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            They'll be writing Shakespeare next http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17676129
                            But you'll have to collect an infinite number of them first. Come to think of it, they'll probably spend so much time arguing about points of grammar and punctuation that they'll not get very far. An infinite babble of baboons?

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