Oi! what you .......................!

[handsomefortune]

adult rap: 'i've got hurt feelings' the hookline in 'tears of a rapper' gulp.....by 'flight of the conchords'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBc5ABgYEM&feature=fvst

and a funny doc made by the same culprits, about playing live, 'success' in 'the epicentre of the music industry' in .................... texas. (you can hear them on r4 xtra, except it's the same series repeated .....indefinitely). the (5 part) doc raises some intelligent and entertaining points about 'not addressing positive change via current music', relevant to this thread imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hawBkGsE6-A&feature=related

here's my equivalent 'acute dissapointment in billy bragg' artist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeKQ-0csvJI

who is apparently a scientologist now...like tom cruise, having released 'sea change' the very worst release ever imo. (sad git).

though i don't necessarily entirely agree with cloughie's suggestion that people who desire musical heroes who attempt to promote change are 'naive'. the post war counter culture music repeatedly disproves this pov imo....though obviously with a couple of exceptions, like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gryfllhhI

i do admit to enjoying renee's wig, and fully appreciate that it's as fake as the utter rubbish so many women sing about, particularly on x factor. this is their allotted role as i understand it, according to the industry. i don't much care for the passive roles of women in the 'plan b' and 'nxtgen' films, but also understand it's mainly the young chaps who will be 'cutting up rough', while young women panic, like people in the third world, and have too many kids, which the ss will remove. ideally, i'd like a woman to do a rap warning of this 'progression', but suspect i'll have a long wait, (and ditto other socially important themes, currently ommited).

[Serial_Apologist]

i'd like a woman to do a rap warning of this 'progression', but suspect i'll have a long wait, (and ditto other socially important themes, currently ommited).

Yes, what happened to Ms Dynamite, whom I once had high hopes for.

More experimental, like free jazz, than #forewarning#, but this had the merits of *being* experimental. Maybe you have to be in the scene to pick up these lyrics; maybe it's just onomatopaeia; maybe my reflection of a generation gap - new for me probably in same way Elvis was to those raised on Lew Stone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQHfChUqZY&feature=related

Anyone remember a TV play about a Brixton-born white octogenarian widow farmed out to an old folks home by her suburban conformist children who, one day, "escapes", makes her own way back to her birthplace, to a once familiar pub, which she finds completely tranformed clientele-wise, but nevertheless is completely at home, the reggae tracks peeling off the jukebox? This stuff I find it hard to relate to - how far "in" can she afford to go yet maintain some kind of critical stance?

***Bad language alert***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5lSpQWlng&feature=related

Yeah, I know - 4 years old and the boy done good. etc., but where now Ms Dyna?

From 2 years ago, this ballad is touching..

http:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukxH...eature=related

S-A

[3rd Viennese School]

Oiiii!!!!!

I live on a caaaanncil estate!

It's out a order.


3VS

[Serial_Apologist]

Oiiii!!!!!

I live on a caaaanncil estate!

It's out a order.


3VS

There was once a composer from Kent
Who it's said showed considerable bent;
But from consumption of chips
The spilt grease caused slips -
And the beer on the floor was not meant

[Lateralthinking1]

One thing that this thread shows is that in the 1990s, working class protest in music went from white or multicultural to black. Calum said something like it was about time that protest in music made a return. He is right. This is not to say that it hasn't had its moments but there have been few white voices. Where there have been, they've been expressed through black genres.

The establishment knew that it was onto a winner by promoting racial equality. It wasn't simply, perhaps even predominantly, brought about for human rights reasons as presented. Rather, it recognised that the kinds who were likely to benefit most from such changes were middle class. Arguably in that way they were more adaptable to what some might describe as being whitened.

It also knew that the protest of black working class could easily be dismissed. There remained in many at root an instinct for discrimination. This would be channelled naturally towards those who were black and had little. As soon as they spoke, they could be dismissed as gun gang members. Middle England sympathy would be absent. Inequalities wouldn't need to be addressed.



This left the white working class to manage. The biggest problem was that larger numbers were politicised than is generally accepted. That had to be decoupled from true socialism which was seen as having some sense even by opponents. So the trouncing of the miners and the unions set the scene and then there was the encouragement to buy into commodities.

So to the EDL, a bigger voice than the media would have us believe. It was the only place that the politics could go. Helpful again for the establishment because it naturally gets opposition from the majority who prefer not to see themselves as racist. Bob's Yer Uncle. Economic fairness becomes the domain of the despised. No political white boy is permitted to be in the charts.

Footnote - This is why the riots were politically noteworthy. They were multicultural. Where would the fans of the Specials have been had there been no perception of a socialist answer, no musical outlets, and decades of enticements to buy costly phones?

I suggest that they would be feeling less included, less able to be constructive, less capable of being joyous, less likely to find connections with other people, a darned sight angrier and politically either vacant or confused.

[handsomefortune]

lateralthinking1, lots of good points in your last post.

more from 'plan b', i think i prefer him just talking .... to his product.

i can not stand the way interviewers have to shufty things along, do exagerated head nodding, etc and have set responses to certain themes: 'making money'? 'working too hard'? 'can 'plan b' sustain it'? 'is he partying too much/too little'? bla bla bla etc .....but happily, he handles it well. crucially, remains authentic.... rather than caving in, conforming to manic media expectations. the man done good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=5vPW8RsjBEE#!

on the mssge 1 clip, there's a button to press, for an intereview on bbc radio1 xtra .... has anyone else bothered listening to it.....john wright in particular, who's perhaps not on the forum right now, but i hope he has a look, in particular.

as to where's ms dynamite? dunno, probably busy keeping the repo man away from that expensiive black sports car that she got too early in her career..presumably?

speaking of 'the repo man'......:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE8ER2bobIc

[Lateralthinking1]

Thanks handsome future. According to Wikipedia. Ms Dynamite is about to release her third cd. They have been saying that since last autumn. Unfortunately it gets very circular - Ms Dynamite, Roots Manuva, Speech Debelle, these two and many more. Not my genre really but they come and they go and they try their best. Good luck to them but whether it would ever change things.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8BHL5SWX0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usksH8B07do

[3rd Viennese School]

Quote.
"There was once a composer from Kent
Who it's said showed considerable bent;
But from consumption of chips
The spilt grease caused slips -
And the beer on the floor was not meant "


So you WAS there at the Grape and Grain last November S-A!

3VS

PS. I can look out of my window and not think about being on a housing estate. My windows face the sea!