So very Upper?

[antongould]

Melvyn Bragg writing in the New Statesman on the cultural and class changes started in the 30s and 40s - " For the BBC, it seemed the three tiers of class were in the genes......the Light Programme, the Home Service and the Third Programme became the very replica of lower, middle and upper.

True?

Sorry about the slip in the title - I'm sure a member of some class can fix it!

[teamsaint]

Melvyn Bragg writing in the New Statesman on the cultural and class changes started in the 30s and 40s - " For the BBC, it seemed the three tiers of class were in the genes......the Light Programme, the Home Service and the Third Programme became the very replica of lower, middle and upper.

True?

Sorry about the slip in the title - I'm sure a member of some class can fix it!

oh certain people of a certain class really do believe that their superiority is in the genes. A headmaster of a well known public school actually told all his new parents this at a talk I was present at !!

[salymap]

Well we's all no wot clasical music is on like - for tofs loike us like, see. Stands to reeson.

[Nick Armstrong]

Well we's all no wot clasical music is on like - for tofs loike us like, see. Stands to reeson.

[french frank]

Dunno what the BBC thought in the 30s and 40s. But the notion that wanting to explore the arts more deeply, take on (intellectual) challenges, and extend one's knowledge is somehow attached to the 'upper class' is very flattering. I've never even claimed to be upper middle class

[antongould]

Well we's all no wot clasical music is on like - for tofs loike us like, see. Stands to reeson.

.......and of course everyone in Sidcup is upper class and very Third Programme.......

[teamsaint]

Dunno what the BBC thought in the 30s and 40s. But the notion that wanting to explore the arts more deeply, take on (intellectual) challenges, and extend one's knowledge is somehow attached to the 'upper class' is very flattering. I've never even claimed to be upper middle class

Its certainly flattering to the upper classes !(whoever they are ).

[salymap]

[QUOTE=antongould;132616].......and of course everyone in Sidcup is upper class and very Third Programme.......[/QUO

Only Dame Ethel and she's long gone, I'm afraid. [What has Sidcup ever done to you Anton?]

[vinteuil]

When, in Culture and Anarchy, [1869] Matthew Arnold popularised the modern use of the word 'Philistine' he was not being kinder to any one of the classes. His words for the three classes under consideration were - Barbarians (by which he meant the toffs, mindless oafs concerned with field sports and external show as he saw them); Philistines (the middle classes, Arnold's main concern: desperately constrained by their notions of being 'respectable'); and "that vast portion, lastly, of the working class which, raw and half developed, has long lain half hidden amidst its poverty and squalor, and is now issuing from its hiding place to assert an Englishman's heaven-born privilege of doing as he likes, and is beginning to perplex us by marching where it likes, meeting where it likes, bawling what it likes, breaking what it likes, - to this vast residuum we may with great propriety give the name of Populace."

... how things have changed since 1869!

[antongould]

[QUOTE=salymap;132630]

.......and of course everyone in Sidcup is upper class and very Third Programme.......[/QUO

Only Dame Ethel and she's long gone, I'm afraid. [What has Sidcup ever done to you Anton?]

...nothing at all - I am of course a big fan of the "city" -without it I would not have met you, Dame Ethel and a royal who must not be mentioned.............................

[John Wright]

Melvyn Bragg writing in the New Statesman on the cultural and class changes started in the 30s and 40s - " For the BBC, it seemed the three tiers of class were in the genes......the Light Programme, the Home Service and the Third Programme became the very replica of lower, middle and upper.

True?

If you can read the text on this image, this was the plan for Third Programme

http://www.r2ok.co.uk/thirdprog.jpg

[aeolium]

John, this link I think provides the text of the G R Barnes article in a slightly more readable form.

[John Wright]

and a complete Radio Times from 1946 can be studied here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/thirdprogramme/gallery/gallery.shtml?1

[John Wright]

John, this link I think provides the text of the G R Barnes article in a slightly more readable form.

Oh, thanks aeolium

[salymap]

Can it be possible? When I was young the RT cost 2d [old pence, 240 to the £1] So one purchased 120 of the RT for one pound. Over two years of the mag that is now full of things I don't want to read for £l.40 a week.

That's inflation as never seen before, surely.

Thanks for link to the 1946 RT. Beecham, Boult, Stephen Potter with Joyce Grenfell in the 'How to' programmes, including 'How not to'. Those were the days, the only thing I don't miss are those cinema organ recitals, which I loathed, even as a child.


The RT has increased by a staggering 168 times over. I rest my case.