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  • amateur51

    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    Oh come on, every schoolboy knows about the sign-writer who needed to leave more space between each of the words when writing the sign for the Pig and Whistle. i.e. between the Pig and and and and and and and Whistle.
    With respect, that is a phrase, not a sentence as requested by Dave2002

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    • aeolium
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 3992

      I"m sure there must be other reflective versions of the Brahms Piano Quintet (compared with Pollini et al), but until Elias/Fleischer I was unaware that it could be played in this way.
      There are imperfections (both pianist and the quartet intonation/timing isn't always quite perfect), but I've revisited this a few times now.

      I'd be interested to know if there are other performances in this kind of style.
      Dave2002, I think of the versions I have heard Takacs/Schiff and the Nash Ensemble are more reflective/chamber style performances compared with Pollini and the Italians, which although an extraordinary performance seems to make the work sound almost orchestral in its power. Fleischer has recorded the work with the Emerson Quartet, but I have not heard this version.

      I'm afraid I thought the Elias/Fleischer performance had just too many errors, especially in the last movement, and problems of ensemble. But, as you say, it's interesting to hear a very different interpretation.

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      • Auferstehen2

        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        11 !!!!??

        Do you mean "had" - or is that now a euphonism for "hand" or "and"?

        Eleven consecutive words in a meaningful sentence seems hard to me.
        Dave2002, I surfed for 11 “hads”, and this came up:

        “James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.”

        Pretty meaningless, until the correct punctuation is inserted. Then,

        “James, while John had had “had”, had had “had had”; “had had” had had a better effect on the teacher.”

        Maybe correct, but still silly IMV.

        Mario

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          Re. the earlier fhg/roehre discussion of Stravinsky's serial pieces - Hans Keller once remarked that IS only composed this way once Schoenberg was dead...
          Hans Keller was a very naughty boy!

          Schoenberg's death coincided with Stravinsky reaching a crisis in his work: a genuine sense that he had exhausted what he could do with Music after The Rake's Progress. Fortunately, this crisis coincided with his encountering the work of Robert Craft - with Babbitt, one of the few people wiho held Stravinsky and Schoenberg in equal esteem. Craft (and Babbitt to a lesser degree) was able to demonstrate how Serial Music "worked" and dispelled the prejudice that Stravinsky's earlier friends had encouraged that Serialism was just an arbitrary re-ordering of the chromatic scale. Working with Hexachords re-invigorated IS' creative juices: he discovered new ways of Serial working, leading to those astonishing, wonderful final works ... which are as removed from Schoenberg's practices and aesthetics as Oedipus Rex.

          Whether Stravinsky would have embraced serial principles whilst Schoenberg was still alive cannot be answered. I suspect (read "fantasize") that the new possibilities that Serialism offered the "ailing" Stravinsky would have outweighed his personal pride. I also like to believe that Craft might have effected some kind of ... personal "relationship" (it wouldn't have been exactly "friendly"!) between the two greatest composers: both used Craft to "sound out" what the other was doing in the three last years of AS' life.


          Relevance to the Thread? I heartily recommend Stravinsky's Music from the '50s and '60s to anyone who "knows about it but has never heard until now"!

          Best Wishes.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Roehre

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Hans Keller was a very naughty boy!
            And not an original one on top of that.

            Whether Stravinsky would have embraced serial principles whilst Schönberg was still alive cannot be answered. I suspect (read "fantasize") that the new possibilities that Serialism offered the "ailing" Stravinsky would have outweighed his personal pride. I also like to believe that Craft might have effected some kind of ... personal "relationship" (it wouldn't have been exactly "friendly"!) between the two greatest composers: both used Craft to "sound out" what the other was doing in the three last years of AS' life.
            The first time Craft arrived at Schönberg's home, Schönberg is heard to have exclaimed "Zomeone from ze ozzer camp!"

            IMO Stravinsky's attitude towards dodecaphony shows a strong resemblance to Beethoven's appreciation of piano concertos, symphonies and string quartets during the time Mozart and Haydn respectively were still alive and composing:
            inevitably attracted and interested, and planning eventually trying out these forms himself, but not yet.

            Re Stravinsky: is there really so much difference between The Rake's Progress and the Shakespeare songs, or between the first and the last tableau of Agon?

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26516

              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Oh come on, every schoolboy knows about the sign-writer who needed to leave more space between each of the words when writing the sign for the Pig and Whistle. i.e. between the Pig and and and and and and and Whistle.
              What are you talking about, Bryn?
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Panjandrum

                Some people are slow on the uptake.

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  What are you talking about, Bryn?
                  O.k., I got a bit too andy (by two) when entering that on my tablet (on my Greenline bus journey to work this morning). It should have read "Pig and and and and and Whistle".

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                  • Auferstehen2

                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    O.k., I got a bit too andy (by two) when entering that on my tablet.
                    Ah, but that's another joke isn't it, Bryn?

                    "And, and, and, and, Andy, what are you talking about?" stuttered Peter.

                    Mario

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22110

                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      O.k., I got a bit too andy (by two) when entering that on my tablet (on my Greenline bus journey to work this morning). It should have read "Pig and and and and and Whistle".
                      Give us a clue - what has all this to do with 'Music you've known about but never heard until recently'.

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                      • amateur51

                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        Give us a clue - what has all this to do with 'Music you've known about but never heard until recently'.
                        Good man, cloughie

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                        • jayne lee wilson
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 10711

                          Indeed - Lord Peter Whimsy is posting just a little too often on these boards...
                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          Give us a clue - what has all this to do with 'Music you've known about but never heard until recently'.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            Give us a clue - what has all this to do with 'Music you've known about but never heard until recently'.
                            #103

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22110

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              #103
                              And what's that got to do with it?

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                                And what's that got to do with it?
                                Seek and discover. Some of us are polite enough to respond to questions posed here, whether strictly 'on topic' or otherwise.

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