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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37636

    #91
    I always have TTN on the radio alarm by my bed, and the other night I awoke to hear the finale of a violin sonata I had not prevously heard. By whom could this be, I asked myself: John Ireland?

    It turned out to be Grieg's, his one essay in this form, I understand, and quite an early piece. Grieg is another of those composers who, with reference to later composers whom, admittedly, one would not think of as at the forefront of musical advance, was in certain aspects of his music ahead of his own time.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12798

      #92
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Massenet's 'Werther'... .
      Werther - whether Goethe or Massenet - is for me irretrievably ruined by the marvellously awful poem by Thackeray.
      If you don't want it ruined for you - look away now...

      .



      .
      WERTHER had a love for Charlotte
      Such as words could never utter;
      Would you know how first he met her?
      She was cutting bread and butter.

      Charlotte was a married lady,
      And a moral man was Werther,
      And for all the wealth of Indies
      Would do nothing for to hurt her.

      So he sigh’d and pin’d and ogled,
      And his passion boil’d and bubbled,
      Till he blew his silly brains out,
      And no more was by it troubled.

      Charlotte, having seen his body
      Borne before her on a shutter,
      Like a well-conducted person,
      Went on cutting bread and butter.

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      • ahinton
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 16122

        #93
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        I always have TTN on the radio alarm by my bed, and the other night I awoke to hear the finale of a violin sonata I had not prevously heard. By whom could this be, I asked myself: John Ireland?

        It turned out to be Grieg's, his one essay in this form, I understand, and quite an early piece. Grieg is another of those composers who, with reference to later composers whom, admittedly, one would not think of as at the forefront of musical advance, was in certain aspects of his music ahead of his own time.
        Grieg wrote not just one but three sonatas for violin and piano (opp. 8, 13 & 45), by the way; he and Liszt went through the first of these on their first meeting and Liszt seems to have been impressed.

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        • amateur51

          #94
          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          Werther - whether Goethe or Massenet - is for me irretrievably ruined by the marvellously awful poem by Thackeray.
          If you don't want it ruined for you - look away now...

          .



          .
          WERTHER had a love for Charlotte
          Such as words could never utter;
          Would you know how first he met her?
          She was cutting bread and butter.

          Charlotte was a married lady,
          And a moral man was Werther,
          And for all the wealth of Indies
          Would do nothing for to hurt her.

          So he sigh’d and pin’d and ogled,
          And his passion boil’d and bubbled,
          Till he blew his silly brains out,
          And no more was by it troubled.

          Charlotte, having seen his body
          Borne before her on a shutter,
          Like a well-conducted person,
          Went on cutting bread and butter.
          Many thanks vints!

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #95
            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            Werther - whether Goethe or Massenet - is for me irretrievably ruined by the marvellously awful poem by Thackeray.

            ... would that be Jake?

            And no more was by it troubled ... GENIUS!
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • vinteuil
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12798

              #96
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              ... would that be Jake?
              ... hoo no; very much William Makepeace...



              and not





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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26524

                #97
                It appears my ignorance is thus of assistance to me in this case. I have not endangered it (my ignorance) by reading your nonetheless interesting post, vinchaud
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12798

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  It appears my ignorance is thus of assistance to me in this case. I have not endangered it (my ignorance) by reading your nonetheless interesting post, vinchaud
                  oh, these lawyers and their ambiguities! It's all a question of brackets, I suppose - was it a case of :

                  {I have not read} & therefore {have not been endangered by reading}

                  or {I have read} but { have not been endangered by reading}

                  To put it another way - was it a case of -

                  "I have not read it, and thereby have not endangered my ignorance"
                  "I have read it, but have not thereby endangered my ignorance"

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26524

                    #99
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    oh, these lawyers and their ambiguities! It's all a question of brackets, I suppose - was it a case of :

                    {I have not read} & therefore {have not been endangered by reading}

                    or {I have read} but { have not been endangered by reading}

                    To put it another way - was it a case of -

                    "I have not read it, and thereby have not endangered my ignorance"
                    "I have read it, but have not thereby endangered my ignorance"



                    The former!

                    Here's one, vindechampagne! Make a sentence out of these words:

                    To
                    More
                    Need
                    Out
                    Get
                    I






                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12798

                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post


                      To
                      More
                      Need
                      Out
                      Get
                      I

                      In THIS weather!!!

                      .

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26524

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        In THIS weather!!!

                        .

                        Good point

                        Keep reading

                        And keep 'em coming.....
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • amateur51

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          In THIS weather!!!
                          Kathleen Ferrier sing Gustav Mahler's Kindertotenlieder.In diesem Wetter, in diesem Braus, Nie hätt' ich gesendet die Kinder hinaus; Man hat sie getragen hin...


                          Quite!

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 18010

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            In THIS weather!!!

                            .

                            While on sentence construction, can anyone make a sentence with five consecutive "and"s?

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                            • Dave2002
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18010

                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              If you have access to iplayer try Webern: Langsamer Satz on Monday's Lunchtime Concert.
                              What did you make of this concert?
                              The Brahms was very different from what I normally expect. Very reflective. Perhaps ultimately I like more drive, at least towards the end, but the first movement was so different. Seemed a perfectly valid way to play it, and clearly very deliberate and thought out. Amazing that Fleischer made that come back.

                              OK - there were some minor errors, but what the heck! Very different from Pollini and the Italians (now incredibly cheap - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brahms-Piano.../dp/B000174LUC) which I also like a lot.

                              I recommend others to listen to this concert before it fades away. Maybe it'll emerge on Wigmore Hall Live - otherwise you have to either listen to it or figure out another way to keep it. Probably not my favourite version, but definitely a different way to play and definitely worth hearing.

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                              • Mahlerei

                                Just seen an Amazon review of Royal Ballet's Les Noces in which the piece is referred to as Les Nonces.

                                Freudian slip or what? :)

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