Lor' Lammy!

[Guest]

Tottenham MP David Lammy believes one of the reasons for last year's riots is the ban on smacking children.

Answers on a pinhead, please.

[amateur51]

Tottenham MP David Lammy believes one of the reasons for last year's riots is the ban on smacking children.

Answers on a pinhead, please.

Is the ban in question on children who have been smacked or childen who have smacked others and who now miss it?

And is the motive stemming from those who were traumatised by the smacking or by not being smacked?

I think we should be told ... but I'm not holding my breath

Is there a link perhaps? ... to the statement, I mean

[mercia]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9047317/David-Lammy-ease-smacking-rules-after-riots.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/29/lammy-smacking-laws-riots_n_1239759.html?ref=uk

[Serial_Apologist]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ter-riots.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...59.html?ref=uk

So presumably children in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Holland etc etc don't riot because they are smacked, then <doh>

[Anna]

Well, after the riots, quite a few of those involved (young teenagers) in interviews on Sky News said they could get away with anything because if parents laid a hand on them they would report them (parents) to Social Services. This may just have been bravado in justifying their actions of course and it is this that David Lammy has picked up on?

[amateur51]

Cheers, mercs ... here's David Lammy's interview with LBC's Iain Dale

http://www.lbc.co.uk/listen-smacking-ban-led-to-riots---lammy-50400

[Mr Pee]

So presumably children in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Holland etc etc don't riot because they are smacked, then <doh>

I don't know why you've added the <doh> to the end of that sentence. It seems to make perfect sense.

[Serial_Apologist]

Well, after the riots, quite a few of those involved (young teenagers) in interviews on Sky News said they could get away with anything because if parents laid a hand on them they would report them (parents) to Social Services. This may just have been bravado in justifying their actions of course and it is this that David Lammy has picked up on?

Should they then be smacked for the instant gratification culture instilled by the indolent parenting and namby-pamby liberal values-based teaching methods in schools, as unendingly churned out by the tabloids? Or shouldn't Mr Lammy, as a Labour salt of the earth politician accountable to some of the poorest electorate in the country, be coming up with more coherent ideology than tabloid?

[Anna]

Should they then be smacked for the instant gratification culture instilled by the indolent parenting and namby-pamby liberal values-based teaching methods in schools, as unendingly churned out by the tabloids? Or shouldn't Mr Lammy, as a Labour salt of the earth politician accountable to some of the poorest electorate in the country, be coming up with more coherent ideology than tabloid?

I don't know, I only repeated what I saw on Sky News but, I think the issue is that some children know they have the upper hand and therefore can dismiss their parents' control because the law is on their side? If you have a toddler, and they persist in putting their hand in the fire, you cannot reason with them, it's a slap and do not do it or else you'll get another slap. Toddler soon learns. It doesn't work with teenagers, they would be more likely to deck you of course. I think Lammy really has got it wrong, it's about respect for your parents, not smacks.

[Serial_Apologist]

I don't know, I only repeated what I saw on Sky News but, I think the issue is that some children know they have the upper hand and therefore can dismiss their parents' control because the law is on their side? If you have a toddler, and they persist in putting their hand in the fire, you cannot reason with them, it's a slap and do not do it or else you'll get another slap. Toddler soon learns. It doesn't work with teenagers, they would be more likely to deck you of course. I think Lammy really has got it wrong, it's about respect for your parents, not smacks.

Respect cuts both ways. The question, in our times, and with prevailing values, is, for what? how is it to be earned, and from where?

[Serial_Apologist]

"Mr Lamy told LBC ... that he was smacked as a child and it taught him respect"

Well, I was smacked... and beaten at school too, a totally unwarranted form of punishment ubiquitously meted out in Victorian times and in schools and homes the 1950s/early '60s. I had to look elsewhere for "respect".

[LeMartinPecheur]

I think it's important to distinguish between short, sharp, light physical punishment and beating a child to pulp. Animals generally discipline their offspring with a sharp nip, bash or similar. The offspring learns, and suffers no permanaent physical or (as far as we can tell) mental harm. What we seem to have lost is the ability to make this distinction, at both personal and political levels.

[eighthobstruction]

#12....If em minching or mazed n'heller, gim a good jowsing....

[MrGongGong]

I think it's important to distinguish between short, sharp, light physical punishment and beating a child to pulp. Animals generally discipline their offspring with a sharp nip, bash or similar. The offspring learns, and suffers no permanaent physical or (as far as we can tell) mental harm. What we seem to have lost is the ability to make this distinction, at both personal and political levels.

I wouldn't say that
I hear that the clubs at Vauxhall are doing very well these days !