NHS Reforms

[teamsaint]

Freudian slip o' t' fingers, ts?

no its an old sixteenth century word , encapsulating a concept that is hard to translate into a twenty first century idiom.

or

B). One of my endless typos !!

It kind of worked though, didn't it !!!

[Flosshilde]

iThe government is refusing to comply with rulings that they must publish the risk assessment for the so-called 'reforms'. What is the legal standing of such ruliungs? Can Lansley be arrested for not complying with them? Anyone fancy exercising their powers & making a citizen's arrest?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/09/nhs-reforms-appeal-risk-register

[teamsaint]

iThe government is refusing to comply with rulings that they must publish the risk assessment for the so-called 'reforms'. What is the legal standing of such ruliungs? Can Lansley be arrested for not complying with them? Anyone fancy exercising their powers & making a citizen's arrest?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...-risk-register

Perhaps they are hoping that we can all self diagnose and cure on the cheap with easily available herbal remedies .

Oh..........

Anyway, I would make lansley wait as long for his next paycheck as the patient on the longest waiting list has to wait for treatment......and then subject him to the citizens arrest !

[amateur51]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17323504

Oh good, Nick Clegg & Shirley Williams says the NHS Bill "has been changed in a thousand ways" so there's no need for a conference debate

I feel so reassured!

[scottycelt]

i Anyone fancy exercising their powers & making a citizen's arrest?

Drat .. I'm afraid I'm otherwise engaged at present, Floss, but don't you think that John Healey is a dead-ringer for landlord Mr Rigsby in that old 1970's comedy series, Rising Damp ... ?

[french frank]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17323504

Oh good, Nick Clegg & Shirley Williams says the NHS Bill "has been changed in a thousand ways" so there's no need for a conference debate

I feel so reassured!

Well, there wasn't any need for a debate, was there?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

When I was at school, I was always led to believe that the work "reform" mean an improvement to the way things were done - things like the abolition of slavery, the abolition of the death penalty, etc.
Then Kenneth Baker came along and brought in education "reforms" that were punitive and aggressive and self-publicising. The rest is history

[amateur51]

Well, there wasn't any need for a debate, was there?

Nice one, LibDem delegates

Could this be a clever plan by Nick to appear to be on-message until he finds himself cornered by his membership? ;yikes:

Give us a break

[amateur51]

When I was at school, I was always led to believe that the work "reform" mean an improvement to the way things were done - things like the abolition of slavery, the abolition of the death penalty, etc.
Then Kenneth Baker came along and brought in education "reforms" that were punitive and aggressive and self-publicising. The rest is history

I was at the theatre on Friday and who should slime past me to the exit but Baron Baker and his fragrant missus Scary Mary. Quite what thay had made of Cheek By Jowls' 'lively' production of Tis Pity She's a Whore I couldn't judge but it was probably as nothing to what that man forced on the British public in the 1980s :shudder:

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I was at the theatre on Friday and who should slime past me to the exit but Baron Baker and his fragrant missus Scary Mary. Quite what thay had made of Cheek By Jowls' 'lively' production of Tis Pity She's a Whore I couldn't judge but it was probably as nothing to what that man forced on the British public in the 1980s :shudder:

Gosh! How horrible for you.

[scottycelt]

Gosh! How horrible for you.

One cannot help but wonder if maybe it was a similar experience for the Baker party ... ?

[amateur51]

One cannot help but wonder if maybe it was a similar experience for the Baker party ... ?

Just the one, Mrs Wembley?

i had the great fortune to work for an organisation in which Scary Mary was the Chairman and believe me that experience sets you up for most things

[eighthobstruction]

Well I for one cannot wait for a certain evolution of an element of gravy train entrpreneurial GP's, to lead another lower form of functional but disaffected £ poor GP's....to put everything right....get everything smooth, and do away with human-natures battle of wits....everyone will know their place, and fiddly-diddly it will all be alright ; better even....Sooty where's my magic wand....

[handsomefortune]

gravy train entrpreneurial GP's

vanish them sooty asap

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/sooty.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sabotagetimes.com/tv-film/izzy-wizzy-lets-get-busy-an-audience-with-sooty/&h=454&w=454&sz=35&tbnid=ctlLE-dw0awOFM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=95&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsooty%2Bpictures%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=sooty+pictures&docid=H5uS7x9t4s9x1M&sa=X&ei=Vq1cT6vdIMiy0QX8qNDhDQ&ved=0CDkQ9QEwAQ

sooty's more effective than the whole of clegg's 'brain' eigth! (can't the disaffectd doctors perform some secret lobatomies, as selected by forum members?

then next week they might start on self serving baronesses with NO conscience.

[Lateralthinking1]

On balance, I'm as content as is possible in the circumstances, and because of Baroness Williams. The concessions won this month have been considerable and I would be more open to the idea of voting Lib Dem because of them, not less.

It will lead to a little more privatisation. I don't like it but some change is needed for NHS survival. Blame Governments for policies that led to economic chaos and the Tories' ongoing priorities to the rich. The latter are ideologically motivated as well as pragmatic. I don't trust them or like their methods. Closing meetings to opponents, not publishing the risk register, sparing on the detail, the love of a gamble. All reprehensibly typical although such is the mess that gambling is all that any Government can do.

The Lib Dems should have said no to the Bill at the outset. It was not as in the Coalition Agreement. Obviously Clegg didn't care about that one jot. They therefore didn't say no. We have had the usual hypocrisy from Labour who started privatisation in the NHS and are responsible for the lack of cash. As for opposition from medics, they are in the right places to know what is and isn't workable but many have their own interests in mind rather more than that of patients. So we are where we are.

Baroness Williams, for whom I have always had respect, has worked incredibly hard with her team in the Lords to knock out much of the Conservative ideology. In less than ten days, they have achieved a lot. In terms of caps on privatisation and political accountability it has been crucial. I applaud it rather than denigrating it. It can't have been easy and I feel more reassured that she has been involved than if the vast majority of others had been. I'm willing to accept her view that the NHS should be safe.

Imagine where we would be had the Conservatives had a majority or if this were delayed until they do have a majority in 2015. Williams has had to accept being used as a human shield by the odious Clegg to get this through. Standards. What looks like the Lib Dems enabling - how Clegg is an enabler - is actually the Lib Dems applying constraints. In the process, this is the moment when the right wing domination of the party for nearly a decade has started to be centralised, a wholly good thing in my view.