The Guardian RIP?

[Mr Pee]

Anyone for the Times?




OG

Yup. Best paper by a country mile.

[VodkaDilc]

Anyone for the Times?


No, I thought not.

OG

Times lost it and went tabloid; Guardian gets obsessed by the internet and lets the physical paper disintegrate; Independent lacks substance; FT looks too scary for the likes of me; tabloids............say no more. So it's The Telegraph, isn't it?

[gurnemanz]

I read the Guardian for a few decades when I was a school teacher, then switched to the Indie. I didn't find that it "lacked substance", but maybe I am shallow and undemanding. I don't think I could become a Telegraph reader - I would finally have turned into my father.

[VodkaDilc]

I read the Guardian for a few decades when I was a school teacher, then switched to the Indie. I didn't find that it "lacked substance", but maybe I am shallow and undemanding. I don't think I could become a Telegraph reader - I would finally have turned into my father.

Thanks, gurnemanz, I must try an Independent.

[amateur51]

Yup. Best paper by a country mile.

Care to share the criteria upon which you made this decision, Mr Pee?

[Don Petter]

Care to share the criteria upon which you made this decision, Mr Pee?

My criterion would be the crossword.

(Different Mr P, but I thought I would add my p'worth.)

[Mr Pee]

Care to share the criteria upon which you made this decision, Mr Pee?

Yes, happy to. I like the layout and the whole "look" of the paper. It also covers the major news stories with clarity and- although I know you will disagree- without the obvious political bent of The Guardian or the Independent, both of which papers often spin news stories to suit their own political agenda. The Independent often reads like a Green Party propaganda rag, and the Guardian- quite apart from its tedious campaign against News International- has such an obvious political bias that were it a tabloid it would simply be the mirror image of the Daily Mail.

It also has first-class art and sport coverage, excellent columnists, and of course The Sunday edition is worth buying for the Culture section alone.

[Old Grumpy]

Yes, happy to. I like the layout and the whole "look" of the paper. It also covers the major news stories with clarity and- although I know you will disagree- without the obvious political bent of The Guardian or the Independent, both of which papers often spin news stories to suit their own political agenda. The Independent often reads like a Green Party propaganda rag, and the Guardian- quite apart from its tedious campaign against News International- has such an obvious political bias that were it a tabloid it would simply be the mirror image of the Daily Mail.

It also has first-class art and sport coverage, excellent columnists, and of course The Sunday edition is worth buying for the Culture section alone.

Don't disagree with most of that - it's the News International bit I don't like!

OG

[amateur51]

Yes, happy to. I like the layout and the whole "look" of the paper. It also covers the major news stories with clarity and- although I know you will disagree- without the obvious political bent of The Guardian or the Independent, both of which papers often spin news stories to suit their own political agenda. The Independent often reads like a Green Party propaganda rag, and the Guardian- quite apart from its tedious campaign against News International- has such an obvious political bias that were it a tabloid it would simply be the mirror image of the Daily Mail.

It also has first-class art and sport coverage, excellent columnists, and of course The Sunday edition is worth buying for the Culture section alone.

Oh I see

Your original assertion was that the Times was " .. Best paper by a country mile." which suggests to me a comparative study

What you have said about the other papers is that you don't like their politics and that you feel that The Guardian is tediously unsporting to News International.

It seems to me that you're not comparing like with like

[Mr Pee]

Oh I see

Your original assertion was that the Times was " .. Best paper by a country mile." which suggests to me a comparative study

What you have said about the other papers is that you don't like their politics and that you feel that The Guardian is tediously unsporting to News International.

It seems to me that you're not comparing like with like

Well, you're right, I don't like their politics, but the relevant point is that the political bias is as much a feature of the paper as the news they are supposed to be reporting, and indeed influences the type of stories that they give prominence to. As I say, not too different from The Daily Mail.

[amateur51]

Well, you're right, I don't like their politics, but the relevant point is that the political bias is as much a feature of the paper as the news they are supposed to be reporting, and indeed influences the type of stories that they give prominence to. As I say, not too different from The Daily Mail.

Well I don't buy Murdoch's Times and Sunday Times on principle and I can't view them online cos there's a paywall. I have heard however that there is a clear political bias towards Cameron's Tories

[teamsaint]

Newspapers and journalism really haven't recovered from the internet intruding.

Not so long ago, the football Echo in Southampton was delivered to the shops in Hedge End (around 7 miles from the city centre) before 6 o'clock, with a full 2 page report of a game that finished only an hour earlier.

Now THAT is proper journalism.

And my grandfather could never go to matches, because he was producing the footy edition. Dedication.