The Guardian RIP?

[VodkaDilc]

So where does that leave me - if The Guardian proves unbearable? Telegraph or Independent? One too right wing and pompous, but with an easily disposable Sport section and good arts coverage (I think!). The other a bit too lightweight; more of a magazine/review than a newspaper. Both these impressions are without positive evidence - I haven't read either for years. Am I far wrong?

(I sent a copy of my first posting here to two separate departments at The Guardian, without divulging where I had originally posted it; they'd never expect it to be a R3 website!. I await a reply.)

[johncorrigan]

The problem I have with the Berliner size is that it's just a bit tight for size when drawing the fire - you end up with a wee gap here and there. So I always get the Dundee Courier a couple of times a week for the full-size, full-draught effect.

I agree that the Saturday Guardian is good value, but I notice a couple of my favourites have left the Guardian scene, not least Laura Barton's often excellent fortnightly 'Hail, Hail Rock'n'Roll' column. I'll be interested to see whether they bin the Film and Music section tomorrow. The Scottish papers eg the Scotsman and the Herald are very poor in my opinion and so for the time being I'll be sticking with the Grauny, though I've noticed some vendors look at me in disbelief when they see the price they're charging me. The 'I' is one of the most frustrating papers I've ever read - not terrible, just frustrating.

[Flosshilde]

I agree that the Saturday Guardian is good value,

I'm always irritated by the Saturday Guardian - not the main paper, but the supplements & magazine, which are directed at the comfortably-off middle class, & seem rather at variance with the political direction of the paper's ethos. I'd be quite happy just buying the main paper (at the same price as the weekly one) without all the other recycling-fodder.

Despite the changes (which really aren't terribly important) the Guardian is still a very good paper. My main gripe is that it doesn't have any coverage of things that matter to my life in Scotland - politics (apart from the brief flurry over the independence referendum), arts, etc. However, as John says,

The Scottish papers eg the Scotsman and the Herald are very poor

so I don't buy them that often (although Scotland on Sunday does have reasonable arts coverage - the Herald's is non-existent, especially for visual arts)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Can you do the crossword on a Kindle?

[Flosshilde]

No idea. I also wonder if it's possible to print things out from a kindle?

[Chris Newman]

No idea. I also wonder if it's possible to print things out from a kindle?

No idea either. I doubt though (despite the promising name) that johncorrigan (#17) would find it much use for lighting the fire.

[vinteuil]

... and certainly not good for wiping the bottom.

[Mahlerei]

No, you can't print from the Kindle :(

[Chris Newman]

... and certainly not good for wiping the bottom.

[VodkaDilc]

. I will be interested to see what the new G2 sized Film and Music supplement is like on Friday. G2, on the whole, is pretty good - but I agree some of the features (such as Mrs Cameron) could be dropped. I personally would not wish to view my daily paper online and would have to look elsewhere if the Graun became exclusively web-based.

OG

The Film and Music section is included in the G2 supplement. Nothing very exciting about it; it was always very pop-based anyway.

[Pabmusic]

... and certainly not good for wiping the bottom.

How do you know?

[Chris Newman]

How do you know?

When the boffins get round to including a scanner with the Kindle we'll be able to ask "Does my bum look big ON this?"

[Chris Newman]

Seriously though, I do not mind the conversion of Friday's G2 into the Film & Music Supplement as it saved space. They seemed to be giving themselves a lot of extra work on Fridays.

Incidentally I agreed with Tom Service saying that status of The Vienna Philharmonic is confirmed as "the world's overrated orchestra".

I am sure that newsagents, paper boys and girls will welcome the re-inclusion of the sports section into the main paper. The Guardian's sports section has always had the reputation as one of the best and appears to be holding up.

[VodkaDilc]

It was certainly easier before to dispatch the Sport section straight into the recycling bin unopened - along with the Wednesday Society section, or whatever it was called. (Writing it now, it sounds like something from The Lady, but it was much different!)

[Chris Newman]

Apologies to Tom Service for attributing the VPO quote to him in Message 28 as it was actually from Andrew Clements. TS had written a page on the Kronos and AC a page of record reviews. I suppose the page setters are still finding their way round the different layout as the acknowledgement for AC was very tiny at the end of the second page of what looked to my aged eyes like almost continuous TS. It is all rather like the good old pre-computer days when The Graudian/Grauniad was famous for typos. I miss the days when Ted Greenfield and Neville Cardus used to phone in their reviews from the foyer of the RFH: we had some wonderful bloopers... "Beethoven's Erotica Symphony", "Purcell's Come ye sons o fart" and "Brittens Lazy Luminations" stick in the mind.