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  • VodkaDilc
    • Jan 2025

    The Guardian RIP?

    I know that The Guardian divides opinions here, but there are some loyal readers (a description I would have used for myself until recently.) My question to them is: do you find the recent and on-going cuts in the paper as distressing as I do; and where should we turn now for our morning newspaper?

    May I summarise the position. In recent weeks/months, the cuts have included:
    1 Cutting the excellent daily supplements (Media, Education, etc) and incorporating them into the main paper (chopping them down to two pages + ads in the meantime) and discontinuing the Thursday Technical/Computer supplement completely.
    2 Removing the Sport section on four days a week and putting it at the end of the main paper. (Sport section was so easy to discard if there is no interest in the subject.)
    3 Reducing pages in the excellent G2 supplement; cutting many regular features (for example, reducing the space given to favourite columnists like Michele Hanson, while maintaining the full length given to tedious columns like the Mrs Cameron spoof, which became tired months ago.) At the same time, wasting space (yesterday's extensive celebration of Adrian Mole had two columns spread across each page and lots of empty space - three columns would have fitted!)
    4 Removing many things we expect from a morning newspaper: share prices, weather forecasts for the next few days, detailed broadcasting schedules and so on.
    5 Cutting obituaries by half.
    And on it goes; each day brings new surprises.

    Some interesting points:
    The Guardian has been desperate to sign up people for a subscription scheme in recent months. Hook them in and then make cuts: is this moral?
    The reduced Independent ("The I") sells for 20p, whereas the reduced Guardian is still at full price.
    The Guardian editor, in a rather self-satisfied interview on R4 today, suggested that the paper is quite possibly going "internet only" in the not too distant future.
    Until the last few weeks, emails to the Readers' Editor brought quick and supportive responses. Recently the replies have been shifty and evasive; I feel they are themselves embarrassed by the position.

    So, where do I go for my morning's read? (Don't say the internet!!) I left The Times when it went tabloid and would never return. Does it have to be The Telegraph? Sounds like the only possible route. To adapt Polly Toynbee's election quote about voting Labour, do I have to read the Telegraph and use a nosepeg when reading the political bits?

    Any views or suggestions would be much appreciated. As a reader who wants a full newspaper at 7.30 in the morning and gets it via my excellent newsagent's delivery service, it seems that I am not typical of the reader which The Guardian's editor wants to serve. He said in the broadcast today that readers now want to read a review of the news in the evening, not the morning! And I certainly don't want to gawp at a computer screen.

    The final irony (surely deliberately intended by some mischievous member of the Guardian staff): the main leader yesterday, the first day of the drastically cut paper, had the following headline: Cut to the core!
  • amateur51

    #2
    I confess that although I read the Guardian most days, I do it online. With a restricted income I just can not afford the daily expenditure and I can get most of what I need from the internet version. This means that if they did go behind a paywall, I would probably stop reading it, which would be a big blow for me.

    I found most of the G2/section stuff interesting if I had the time to read it, but it did seem to be an excessive use of precious paper as does the hopeless listings mag on a Saturday which is just too small to be sensible, e.g., Royal Fesitival Hall 19.30 LPO/Jurowsky Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Rachmaninov

    I'd be very happy if they ditched the colour mag too

    What about The Observer?

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    • VodkaDilc

      #3
      The Observer does not seem to be suffering. (neither does the Saturday Guardian - at least not so much.) It (Observer) moved away from Sunday Times overkill some time ago and now has a main paper + Review, Magazine and Sport (instant recycling fodder.) And I really like the Berliner size. Our local paper is now tabloid and I find it comically small.

      I want to curl up with the paper in the morning (in bed, often, but don't tell anyone - and I certainly don't want to take my computer to bed!)

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      • Chris Newman
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 2100

        #4
        I would not miss the colour mag. I have thought for a long time that there were far too many supplements and as I go out to buy my paper, until the reshuffle in the last two weeks, I have left behind those bits I do not want (todays's sup on Renewable Energy was interesting and will stay in the special chamber to pass the time). Finding the reviews has become a bit of a chore without a proper contents page. I do like G2 and hope that does not change. I rarely buy a Sunday paper. I use the little listings booklet instead of buying Radio Times which is worse than useless. I suppose I would be happy with a basic newspaper along the lines of the Guardian without supplements that ran its job adverts as it and the DT used to.

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        • Old Grumpy
          Full Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 3661

          #5
          I changed to the Guardian from the Indie when the Indie went tabloid (having been an Indie reader from the beginning). I do like the Berliner format too. I am happy with the incorporation of media etc. and sport into the main paper. I mainly read the paper for the news and the arts coverage. As far as I am concerned they could lose all the regular columnists from the main paper and I wouldn't notice. I will be interested to see what the new G2 sized Film and Music supplement is like on Friday. G2, on the whole, is pretty good - but I agree some of the features (such as Mrs Cameron) could be dropped. I personally would not wish to view my daily paper online and would have to look elsewhere if the Graun became exclusively web-based.

          OG
          Last edited by Old Grumpy; 18-01-12, 21:20.

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          • Flosshilde
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7988

            #6
            Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
            (neither does the Saturday Guardian - at least not so much.).
            Pity - there are a miriad supplements on Saturday that are ripe for a cull. I sometimes think that the Saturday edition is produced for a different readership - it suffers from the middle-class smugness that the detractors accuse the Guardian of, whereas the weekday ediution seems much sharper.


            I want to curl up with the paper in the morning (in bed, often, but don't tell anyone - and I certainly don't want to take my computer to bed!)
            I don't know about curling up in bed with it, but I do prefer to read it on paper rather than a screen - which can be tiring to the eyes. I also only buy it alternate days (usually monday, Wednesday & Friday) & read it on the bus into town, saving G2 for the days when I don't buy. My partner also like to take it to the loo with him - a computer wouldn't be so convenient, especially when the cat decides to go with him & settle down on his lap. (The dog also tends to follow him in, so it can get a bit crowded )

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            • amateur51

              #7
              Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
              My partner also like to take it to the loo with him - a computer wouldn't be so convenient, especially when the cat decides to go with him & settle down on his lap. (The dog also tends to follow him in, so it can get a bit crowded )

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              • Chris Newman
                Late Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 2100

                #8
                Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                My partner also like to take it to the loo with him - a computer wouldn't be so convenient, especially when the cat decides to go with him & settle down on his lap. (The dog also tends to follow him in, so it can get a bit crowded )
                You are giving us some very erudite droppings there, Flossie.

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                • Flosshilde
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7988

                  #9
                  Probably comes under the heading of 'too much information'

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                  • DracoM
                    Host
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 12995

                    #10
                    I think the Saturday Guardian is still one of the best values on the market. Otherwise, I read the daily Guardian online and find it a terrific online site.

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                    • VodkaDilc

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                      I think the Saturday Guardian is still one of the best values on the market. Otherwise, I read the daily Guardian online and find it a terrific online site.
                      But DracoM, you sound young and trendy. Oldies like me want to read from a newspaper.

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7418

                        #12
                        I was a Grauniad reader on and off for many years form student days. (I remember writing them an indignant letter protesting about Reggie Maudling expelling Dudi Dutschke in 1970 - unpublished.) I switched to the Indie when I thought they were getting a bit Blairite and and the Indie was laying into him ruthlessly. I feel quite at home now with the Indie (+ good cryptic crossword), and the condensed "i" version now suits me very well.

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                          I think the Saturday Guardian is still one of the best values on the market. Otherwise, I read the daily Guardian online and find it a terrific online site.
                          Perfectly put, DracoM - but I do understand that many people prefer a hard copy.

                          I think it's available on Kindle - does that replicate the newspaper reading experience?

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                          • greenilex
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1626

                            #14
                            Don't yet know how to get Grauniad on Kindle, but sounds fun...and am just waking up to the cuts you enumerate.

                            Don't think I could stand the switch to A.N.Indie. So I suppose I'll carry on picking up my copy from the Co-op every morning on the way in to town (yes we do have a downtown in Southampton, complete with the occasional nuclear submarine cosying up to the quayside).

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                            • Flosshilde
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7988

                              #15
                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              I think it's available on Kindle - does that replicate the newspaper reading experience?
                              Certainly easier to read on the bus - or the loo - than a laptop but otherwise no, I wuoldn't have thought so (& I have - briefly - seen a newspaper on a Kindle.)
                              Last edited by Flosshilde; 19-01-12, 15:30.

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