Alphabet associations - I

[mercia]

where in music are shape and length linked?

musical phrases have shape and length (as do sentences, paragraphs and movements)

[mercia]

where do "three" and "groups" appear together?

triplets, trios, Stockhausen - Gruppen for 3 orchestras

[subcontrabass]

, Stockhausen - Gruppen for 3 orchestras

That's number 2.

[subcontrabass]

Play nicely among yourselves. I am away from computer until this evening.

[mercia]

where in music are shape and length linked?

organ pipes? printed notation?

(Gruppen was premiered in C-C-Cologne (I think))

[Nick Armstrong]

It's a great question. Have been pondering (1) in particular. Bed now though.

I confess to getting nowhere with this one! Can't get past the musical "shape/length" conundrum...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The links are musical. The C is not.

Now, had this been set by a certain violinist, I must suggest "Conductor"
(Three needed for Gruppen and they sort of determine the shape and length of performances and Haydn was sort of one of the first.)

I can see why Flay suggested "Chain" ("links", you see) but I'm stuck.

[Anna]

So, as mercia is correct with Gruppen for 3 Orchestras and a Cologne premiere are we looking for a Cologne connection for Joseph Hayden? But the first clue must be musical terminology beginning with a C and none that I know would fit ...... oh, hopelessly floundering on this although I did think it might be Canon initially. Did something happen to Haydn in Cologne to do with Esterhazey?

Find a C to link:
(1) shape and length;
(2) three groups;
(3) Joseph Haydn.

[antongould]

There is a Joseph Haydn Institute in Cologne......

[Flay]

<<where in music are shape and length linked? >>

In the notation? A crotchet?

[Flay]

Ligeti wrote Apparitions in Cologne, where he worked in the same studio as Stockhausen.

Apparitions has "... a total of 234 crotchet beats in the first movement, just one more than the perfect fibonacci number of 233. Since the quotient of two adjacent numbers in the fibonacci series approaches the golden ratio of their sum, for 233 crotchets the golden section falls at either 89 or 144 crotechets. Thus, the golden section of this movement of 234 crotchet beats falls at very slightly more than 89 or 144 crotchet beats in. Counting beats, then, we find that the 144th crotchet falls in bar 71, at the basses' tremolando.... " (http://www.btinternet.com/~tim.johns...InCologne.html)

So that's an obvious association... [not]

[Nick Armstrong]

<<where in music are shape and length linked? >>

In the notation? A crotchet?

Now that's a good thought.

[subcontrabass]

There is a Joseph Haydn Institute in Cologne......

That is getting towards number 3.

[subcontrabass]

<<where in music are shape and length linked? >>

In the notation?

Now link that to Cologne.

[mercia]

link that to Cologne.

Franco of Cologne - part-time Spanish Dictator and inventor of Franconian Notation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconian_notation

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