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  • vinteuil
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12768

    Originally posted by mercia View Post
    he'd gone to bed. It had occured to me the answer might be gun (honest) but my downfall was relying on wikipedia that states that Riccardo dies as the result of a stabbing. [EDIT - my Penguin guide to opera says the same thing]
    ... well I confess I only looked at Kobbé which says: ' "And thus receive thou my farewell!" exclaims Renato shooting him in the back' - and in its synopsis: 'A shot rings out, Riccardo fall into the arms of Oscar... '

    But looking now at the sleeve-notes to the Philips Colin Davis CD I see it says "stabs him in the back"...


    I am all confusion! Are there any Verdians out there who can shed light on this? It is certainly the case that the event on which it was ultimately based was with a gun - on 16 March 1792 Gustavus III was shot in the back at a masked ball at Stockholm.

    Apologies if this caused undue stress
    Last edited by vinteuil; 06-10-11, 05:53.

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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      morning vinteuil. I think Kobbe is more likely to be correct.

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      • mercia
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8920

        Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
        Reiner
        Fritz?

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        • mercia
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8920

          Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
          a Metropolitan first
          a singer's debut?

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          • mercia
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8920

            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
            something silly
            the "What are you listening to now?" thread?

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            • Norfolk Born

              Hun?
              (Well, at least it rhymes with 'gun' )

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              • Dave2002
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 18008

                Originally posted by mercia View Post
                Fritz?
                Go for the jugular, eh! No, actually.

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26516

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... well I confess I only looked at Kobbé which says: ' "And thus receive thou my farewell!" exclaims Renato shooting him in the back' - and in its synopsis: 'A shot rings out, Riccardo fall into the arms of Oscar... '

                  But looking now at the sleeve-notes to the Philips Colin Davis CD I see it says "stabs him in the back"...


                  I am all confusion! Are there any Verdians out there who can shed light on this? It is certainly the case that the event on which it was ultimately based was with a gun - on 16 March 1792 Gustavus III was shot in the back at a masked ball at Stockholm.

                  Apologies if this caused undue stress


                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Dave2002
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 18008

                    Originally posted by mercia View Post
                    a singer's debut?
                    Not that either, I'm afraid.

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                    • mercia
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8920

                      I don't know any other Reiners - what line of business is he/she in?

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                      • amateur51

                        Originally posted by mercia View Post
                        I don't know any other Reiners - what line of business is he/she in?
                        Carl Reiner, American comedy writer?

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                        • Tapiola
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1688

                          The only other Reiner I can think of is Reiner Torheit (aka Al R Gando), in which case the H could stand for "Hair-trigger".

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                          • Anna

                            Composers Karel or Thomas?

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                            • Dave2002
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18008

                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              I don't know any other Reiners - what line of business is he/she in?
                              Films, maybe.

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                              • Dave2002
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18008

                                Originally posted by Anna View Post
                                Composers Karel or Thomas?
                                Sorry, neither of those, though the H was.

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