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  • vinteuil
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    • Nov 2010
    • 12761

    Originally posted by mercia View Post


    [has there been a recent shift in the pronunciation of Janacek ? I've noticed Radio 3 emphasising the NA rather than the JA]
    ... ain't the problem that the stress is on the JA but that the NA is a long syllable - and this is difficult for native English speakers to handle...

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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by mercia View Post
      * one-hundred-and-eighty * (in G major)

      you licked that quick
      Sotrr mercs, I went for a post AA-nap and I'm due out jolly shortly ::

      If K = 279, then L = 366

      If K = 280, then L = 388

      If K = 281, then L = 378

      So what is L?

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      • vinteuil
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12761

        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        Sotrr mercs, I went for a post AA-nap and I'm due out jolly shortly ::

        If K = 279, then L = 366

        If K = 280, then L = 388

        If K = 281, then L = 378

        So what is L?
        ... and are you going to give us the Fadini and Pestelli numbers too, just to help us aLong...

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          ... and are you going to give us the Fadini and Pestelli numbers too, just to help us aLong...
          Well that would be provocatively silly and complex, almost worthy of our prickly friend, as neither begins with L, which is the subject of the puzzle.

          However, you may have a serious or pertinent point to make

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          • vinteuil
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12761

            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            Well that would be provocatively silly and complex, almost worthy of our prickly friend, as neither begins with L, which is the subject of the puzzle.

            However, you may have a serious or pertinent point to make

            ... sorry, Amms - I think I was on the wrong track.

            For me
            K279 is L468
            K280 is L237 and
            K 281 is L 56


            .
            as you were

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            • amateur51

              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
              ... sorry, Amms - I think I was on the wrong track.

              For me
              K279 is L468
              K280 is L237 and
              K 281 is L 56


              .
              as you were
              Blimey, vints - how did you arrive at that?

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12761

                Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                Blimey, vints - how did you arrive at that?
                ... oh, they're just the Longo equivalent of the Kirkpatrick numberings of the Scarlatti sonatas. If you want the equivalent Fadini or Pestelli numbers of the same sonatas, just ask...

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                • amateur51

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... oh, they're just the Longo equivalent of the Kirkpatrick numberings of the Scarlatti sonatas. If you want the equivalent Fadini or Pestelli numbers of the same sonatas, just ask...
                  You're right about Longo, but not about Kirkpatrick

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                  • amateur51

                    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                    You're right about Longo, but not about Kirkpatrick
                    Extra clue - the three Longo numbers refer to what pieces by Scarlatti? Does anyone else write such pieces with a K number?

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                    • mercia
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8920

                      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                      the three Longo numbers refer to what pieces by Scarlatti?
                      L366, 388, 378 are the first three on this list


                      i.e. K1, 2, 3 - so should we look for someone else's K1, 2, 3 or someone else's K279, 280, 281 (as per the question) ? I guess we mean Mozart

                      a question worthy of Bletchley Park
                      Last edited by mercia; 19-01-14, 04:47.

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                      • amateur51

                        Originally posted by mercia View Post
                        L366, 388, 378 are the first three on this list


                        i.e. K1, 2, 3 - so should we look for someone else's K1, 2, 3 or someone else's K279, 280, 281 (as per the question) ? I guess we mean Mozart

                        a question worthy of Bletchley Park
                        I thought this might be too straightforward, building as it does on merc's earlier puzzle exploring Kirkpatrick's catalogue. however the twist is that in this puzzle K refers not to Kirkpatrick's catalogue of Scarlatti's work but to Köchel's catalogue of Mozart's work.

                        To protract this in search of exactitude would be unsporting ...

                        Both Mozart and Domenico Scarlatti wrote piano sonatas and this puzzle refers to nos 1-3 in each case:

                        Piano sonata no. 1 Mozart K 279 Scarlatti L 366

                        Piano sonata no.2 Mozart K 280 Scarlatti L 388

                        Piano sonata no.3 Mozart K 281 Scarlatti L 378

                        Simples ... when you know

                        In fairness vinteuil got to Longo and so must be awarded the prix d'honneur and the chance to give us an M
                        Last edited by Guest; 19-01-14, 09:56. Reason: further explanation

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                        • mercia
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8920

                          clever question. I was getting there .............. slowly.

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                          • amateur51

                            Originally posted by mercia View Post
                            clever question. I was getting there .............. slowly.
                            Clever? I think 'magicians' refer to this trick as 'distraction' or 'diversion', mercs

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8773

                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Clever? I think 'magicians' refer to this trick as 'distraction' or 'diversion', mercs
                              Oh a vints M how superb - I was totally lost no enigma code cracker here..........

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                              • amateur51

                                Bit of a bump required here, I reckon .... come in vinteuil, tis your moment to set the puzzle MMMMMM

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