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  • hedgehog

    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
    Sorry, only recently back from a stunning performance of Britten's Spring Symphony at the Royal Festival Hall

    I was thinking of T S Eliot's Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats

    Ah.....well, I think I have to adjust the question. The "book both speculative and practical"would better be described as a treatise.

    The "composer’s satire" however is, in a way, somewhat akin to T S Eliot's romp.

    So removing some of the obfuscation the question is:

    What P links one composer’s satire of another’s earnest studies, a set of dancing muses and a treatise?
    Last edited by Guest; 18-02-13, 08:14.

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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
      Ah.....well, I think I have to adjust the question. The "book both speculative and practical"would better be described as a treatise.

      The "composer’s satire" however is, in a way, somewhat akin to T S Eliot's romp.

      So removing some of the obfuscation the question is:

      What P links one composer’s satire of another’s earnest studies, a set of dancing muses and a treatise?
      Thanks for the revision, hodge but .....

      How was your dinner party, btw?

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      • hedgehog

        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        Thanks for the revision, hodge but .....

        How was your dinner party, btw?
        The dinner was very amiable - hardly a party, just a very old friend with her new partner so I felt obliged to do a 3 course job!

        The answer is a bit lofty I guess, but if you take the right steps not really that difficult

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
          The dinner was very amiable - hardly a party, just a very old friend with her new partner so I felt obliged to do a 3 course job!

          The answer is a bit lofty I guess, but if you take the right steps not really that difficult
          Sounds lovely, hodge - a nice thing to do for you friend

          now then ... 'lofty' ... is that a clue, I wonder?

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          • hedgehog

            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            now then ... 'lofty' ... is that a clue, I wonder?
            Yes it is, the whole sentence in fact. It's a very big clue and we are not talking about carpets

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              Wasn't the Muse of Dance, Terpsichore?
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • hedgehog

                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Wasn't the Muse of Dance, Terpsichore?
                Yes, but there are a number of muses here, in a set. With dances (hence "dancing muses").

                Oh and the first composer's satire is a musical one, perhaps more of a friendly joke than a scathing demolition!

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                • amateur51

                  Still going with what pops into my noddle, 'steps' and 'lofty' yields 'ladder' yields Schoenberg's Jakobsleiter

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                  • hedgehog

                    One or two songs from "The Sound of Music" would probably be more helpful.

                    (Though Schönberg most definitely knew the treatise.)

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                    • amateur51

                      Paganini's Art of Playing the Violin, with a Treatise on Single and Double Harmonic Notes

                      Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini? or Witold Lutosławski, Variation on a Theme by Paganini for 2 pianos?
                      Last edited by Guest; 18-02-13, 14:18. Reason: luto alternative

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                      • mercia
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8920

                        Gradus ad Parnassum - textbook on counterpoint by Johann Fux (1725) - Parnassus, the loftiest part of a Greek mountain range - gradus/step

                        Stravinsky's ballet Apollo - characters Terpsichore, Calliope, Polyhymnia

                        Debussy - from Children's Corner making fun of Clementi's instructional pieces
                        Last edited by mercia; 18-02-13, 16:02.

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                        • hedgehog

                          Bravo Mercia (again )

                          Except for the Stravinksy. Parnassum is the answer and is in another title.

                          Filling in: The first piece of the Children's Corner Suite is called Dr Gradus ad Parnassum (steps to Parnassus) which is both the title of Fux's treatise (two parts: Musica Speculativa and Musica Practica) and - somewhat pretentiously (maybe that's what ired Debussy) - of a set of studies by Clementi; another being the Studies in Velocity (groan to bad memories).


                          So still looking for the piece in the middle!

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                          • mercia
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8920

                            sorry I haven't the remotest idea and google doesn't seem to be helping

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                            • hedgehog

                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              google doesn't seem to be helping

                              Try googling parnassum muses music composition

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                              • mercia
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8920

                                J C F Fischer 1656-1746

                                Musikalischer Parnassus (Musical Parnassus, c. 1738), nine dance suites for harpsichord, each named after one of the Muses

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