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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37993

    Merchandise

    Ok, time for a rant.

    There've been many threads on the dire state of capitalism, at the present time and forseeable future. Probably forever, unless we get up en masse and get rid of it for good and all.

    But this particular thread is about merchandise, and the unadulterated rubbish most of it today constitutes, if we're out of the upper echelons who do rather well out of having and/or selling it. If capitalism is to survive, one simple think it should do is address the drabness of what's left of the high street, and what's taken over in the shopping mall.

    Take this very morning. 3 days to Xmas and you'd think the retailers of easily disposable stuff would be doing their utmost to attract families. But what does one find on offer?

    I went into Video Blockbuster just now, out of desperation at finding anything worth buying elsewhere for a very dear friend of mine of many years' standing. I've been looking for 3 weeks now in an escalating state of disillusionment. And what did I find? A shop full of punters eager to get hold of the latest boxed set of Frozen Planet or Rev? That's the sort of thing one might be expected to find? After all, we're told, the economy is in recession. For decades the "working masses" have been a vital component of a country's good economic state of being, or so we're told. Were'nt the Japanese responsible for the long recession of the 1990s because they had purchased all they needed, and weren't going out and buying anything more? And so, "Export", they were being exhorted, one minute - and the next, get more efficient, rationalise your productive industries, become more competititive with... wherever. To what end? - one might have asked. So as we can compete ourselves out of a job when the product line exhausts? So then - what did I find? Well, the place was near-empty. Shelves abrim with trashy Hollywood Blockbusters and "games shows", so-called. Eventually I discovered a DVD of Tom & Jerry cartoons, 3 hours' worth of same. Something to give a few hours of belly laughs, a bit of much-needed therapy. There was another DVD of "Made in Dagenham", the slightly dipsy movie about the Dagenham women's strike over equal pay in the 60s. Well it brings back promising times. Go to pay for them. £3 for the Dagenham DVD - it's a remaindered copy so my friend will have to receive an unsellophane-wrapped copy, ahem - and I can't have the Tom & Jerry as it's only for hire.

    Two years ago I went looking for a sports jacket, to replace the several sports jackets that I have been holding together for 10 years at least with nowadays virtually unobtainable leather elbow patches, the wearing of which puts me into the absent-minded professor category appearancewise - probably not far off the truth, as if, huh! Two years previous, Sainsbury's had offered washable cotton jackets in three shades of brown, from fawn to dark brown, for £30 apiece. probably made in Taiwan; green would have been nice, but buggars can't be choosers when you want to maintain some sort of appearance congruent stylewise with the way you've always seen yourself. I should have had one of each, given I could have afforded them. Anyone else ever had that sinking feeling of having been in on the end of something good, and not realised it at the crucial time? A year later? Twenty aisles of ladies' clothing items, every shape, size, pattern, colour you could ogle for. Two aisles, combining men's and children's. And for suits and jackets, nothing, puffa and thin nylon jerkas apart, but I would guess 30 identical rows of what were effectively undertakers' suits - black, featureless, depressing. And they're still there: not the same suits, that's for sure, because look around: they're everywhere: boring, boring and boring men looking like our dads in the 1950s in their specs and matching near-black two-piece suits. Or men... well, I peered over the balustrade down at passing crowds at the South Bank during those warm October days, remembering London in the 1960s when all was colour. And variety. And sartorial fun. Now what was on visual offer was baseball hats, black nylon jackets, grey or white T-shirts, some with some crappy irrelevant logo, yep, trainers trainers trainers, and blue jeans. This was the alternative to Mao suits capitalism was offering to the the Chinese, and today the N Koreans. Why bother any more: I might just as well wear my boiler suit all the time. It's maoneovrable in, and doesn't perplex me with the daily problem of what should I wear?

    Would anybody notice? is this what the illusion of freedom of choice brought us to - monochrome?

    All I can say in conclusion is: thank god I lived (I accidentally typed "loved") through an era when we could buy worthwhile stuff, from jackets in orange to purple if we really wanted to, from Stockhausen to Balinese Gamelan in, yes, our regular local retailers, or hear or watch what we wanted to enrich our spirits on radio and telly 7/7. "You'll have to go up HMV in Tottenham Court Road to get that Tom & Jerry", said the other customer in Blockbuster, helpfully, "...and that's rather a long way, innit!"

    What do others feel about today's DRABness? Anyone old enough to remember when it was all different?

    S-A
  • Norfolk Born

    #2
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Ok, time for a rant.

    There've been many threads on the dire state of capitalism, at the present time and forseeable future. Probably forever, unless we get up en masse and get rid of it for good and all.

    But this particular thread is about merchandise, and the unadulterated rubbish most of it today constitutes, if we're out of the upper echelons who do rather well out of having and/or selling it. If capitalism is to survive, one simple think it should do is address the drabness of what's left of the high street, and what's taken over in the shopping mall.

    Take this very morning. 3 days to Xmas and you'd think the retailers of easily disposable stuff would be doing their utmost to attract families. But what does one find on offer?

    I went into Video Blockbuster just now, out of desperation at finding anything worth buying elsewhere for a very dear friend of mine of many years' standing. I've been looking for 3 weeks now in an escalating state of disillusionment. And what did I find? A shop full of punters eager to get hold of the latest boxed set of Frozen Planet or Rev? That's the sort of thing one might be expected to find? After all, we're told, the economy is in recession. For decades the "working masses" have been a vital component of a country's good economic state of being, or so we're told. Were'nt the Japanese responsible for the long recession of the 1990s because they had purchased all they needed, and weren't going out and buying anything more? And so, "Export", they were being exhorted, one minute - and the next, get more efficient, rationalise your productive industries, become more competititive with... wherever. To what end? - one might have asked. So as we can compete ourselves out of a job when the product line exhausts? So then - what did I find? Well, the place was near-empty. Shelves abrim with trashy Hollywood Blockbusters and "games shows", so-called. Eventually I discovered a DVD of Tom & Jerry cartoons, 3 hours' worth of same. Something to give a few hours of belly laughs, a bit of much-needed therapy. There was another DVD of "Made in Dagenham", the slightly dipsy movie about the Dagenham women's strike over equal pay in the 60s. Well it brings back promising times. Go to pay for them. £3 for the Dagenham DVD - it's a remaindered copy so my friend will have to receive an unsellophane-wrapped copy, ahem - and I can't have the Tom & Jerry as it's only for hire.

    Two years ago I went looking for a sports jacket, to replace the several sports jackets that I have been holding together for 10 years at least with nowadays virtually unobtainable leather elbow patches, the wearing of which puts me into the absent-minded professor category appearancewise - probably not far off the truth, as if, huh! Two years previous, Sainsbury's had offered washable cotton jackets in three shades of brown, from fawn to dark brown, for £30 apiece. probably made in Taiwan; green would have been nice, but buggars can't be choosers when you want to maintain some sort of appearance congruent stylewise with the way you've always seen yourself. I should have had one of each, given I could have afforded them. Anyone else ever had that sinking feeling of having been in on the end of something good, and not realised it at the crucial time? A year later? Twenty aisles of ladies' clothing items, every shape, size, pattern, colour you could ogle for. Two aisles, combining men's and children's. And for suits and jackets, nothing, puffa and thin nylon jerkas apart, but I would guess 30 identical rows of what were effectively undertakers' suits - black, featureless, depressing. And they're still there: not the same suits, that's for sure, because look around: they're everywhere: boring, boring and boring men looking like our dads in the 1950s in their specs and matching near-black two-piece suits. Or men... well, I peered over the balustrade down at passing crowds at the South Bank during those warm October days, remembering London in the 1960s when all was colour. And variety. And sartorial fun. Now what was on visual offer was baseball hats, black nylon jackets, grey or white T-shirts, some with some crappy irrelevant logo, yep, trainers trainers trainers, and blue jeans. This was the alternative to Mao suits capitalism was offering to the the Chinese, and today the N Koreans. Why bother any more: I might just as well wear my boiler suit all the time. It's maoneovrable in, and doesn't perplex me with the daily problem of what should I wear?

    Would anybody notice? is this what the illusion of freedom of choice brought us to - monochrome?

    All I can say in conclusion is: thank god I lived (I accidentally typed "loved") through an era when we could buy worthwhile stuff, from jackets in orange to purple if we really wanted to, from Stockhausen to Balinese Gamelan in, yes, our regular local retailers, or hear or watch what we wanted to enrich our spirits on radio and telly 7/7. "You'll have to go up HMV in Tottenham Court Road to get that Tom & Jerry", said the other customer in Blockbuster, helpfully, "...and that's rather a long way, innit!"

    What do others feel about today's DRABness? Anyone old enough to remember when it was all different?

    S-A
    Feel better now? :)

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    • MrGongGong
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 18357

      #3
      I remember when all corner shops had fresh copies of Stimmung, the works of Alvin Lucier and field recordings from the Anderman Isles
      seriously though
      outside a few selected places I gave up on shops ages ago ......... apart from buying food one never finds anything surprising

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37993

        #4
        Originally posted by Norfolk Born View Post
        Feel better now? :)
        I Hope not!

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        • handsomefortune

          #5
          i agree with most points serial apologist. you could always go for the 70s steve coogan look .... battenburg cake coloured jumpers for men ....(no suitable emoticon available unfortunately) though this priviliged escape from navy, or grey, does't suit everyones' tastes, but does make a pertinent statement about 'dowdy mens' clothes'. they've reached a new low for anyone over 30yrs.... and only younger 20 somethings are 'allowed' to look colourful.

          however, why put yourself through what the rest do automatically?

          i'd 'diagnose'....... (ha ha) that you're not taking the second hand shopping experience nearly seriously enough s-a....!!!

          try knightsbridge oxfam ....or anywhere where there's been lots of posh people dumping their clothes off ....and you should
          a) get what you wanted initially ie retro styles
          b) pay very little for excellent quality of the past
          c) not help industrialised labour of children abroad (and at home)?
          d) with any spare cash left, take your new booty to the dry cleaners
          e) quality fabrics and manufacture pays off longterm, as you don't need to replace them. wheras you do the absolute rubbish on (what's left of) the british high street... (which for ladies clothes can barely last a couple of washes...especially knitted/woollens).

          i quite like the idea of a boiler suit too ...!! they do them in pmark in a fleecy material, with owls, reindeers, and other motifs....they look really snug, but probably wash badly....something the high street seems to excell at, in terms of *least amount of value over time*. pmark convinces al its female customers that 'it's good to look like an enormous baby' and there's increasingly less and less difference between adult women/childrens' wear imo.

          sorry, i can't help with the tom & gerry dvd, (and obviously charity shop bargain bins aren't that reliable in this sense) .... what about a dvd token and a bottle, or box of something instead?

          today, mr h has gone off to his work xmas do, (almost) fully togged in second hand gear ....welsh tapestry down the front of his cardi, ....and god knows what else (just praying he didn't end up taking his donovan hat....as he manages 14 blokes, who are probably quite happy with navy/charcoal outfits )! mr's definitely making 'a fashion statement' of sorts... especially when people ask where he got his gear from, although the cardigan was an extortionate amount (imo) from a retro shop, rather than a charity shop! tut.

          so, make a list of what you need over xmas, and 'launch your new wardrobe' ...gradually serial apologist!

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37993

            #6
            Thanks for the good advice, handsome - a real good way to give me something to look forward to: best prezzie yet!

            Mr h togged up in his very own dragon's den for the occif party raises a smile.

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            • Lateralthinking1

              #7
              The system has become adept at selling the system. This means that it isn't essentially geared towards normal human behaviour like walking from shop to shop. Rather it is about manipulating behaviour into new systemic ways. Those are intended to make you feel especially included by telling you what you want. Every other attitude - like yours and mine or what might be seen by an alien as common sense - is blinkered old hat. "Modernize" or plant radishes. Just don't trouble us. The committees in grids shall project back your tapestry even if you see them and it purely in terms of black and white. You know how it is now. You go onto the website of something like JD Sports and enter a competition. They don't want to hear about your sports shoe preferences or physical dimensions. They want to know what football team you support, what your favourite sport is, how much sport you watch on TV and whether you have Sky. Everyone is fully involved in it. You are worrying about your details ending up in the Bronx.

              To read this across a bit, if you think when you are buying clothing from a shop that it is deplorably uniform, they will say it tells the world about your individuality and breadth. There you are in what is just a shirt to you. Apparently the rest of us are supposed to see it and say "he's mainly into golf and horse racing - still he doesn't mind watching Tottenham but only if they are on BBC1". Classic FM seems to be about radio but actually it's a blitz. It is about your favourite tipple, whether you go to concerts, where you would have gone on holiday in 2007 if you had another chance, and if you would ever buy a hamper from Waitrose. OK, that is another website but there are many shops that fit into that niche. They are reaching to similar things. Even Fortnum and Mason are on Facebook networking. What is more important to them is that you are one of their people, like them, carry their hoarding and own the relevant identity card. Yes they have made a pig's ear of getting things delivered before Christmas. Delivery isn't cool.

              This has been learnt from the flowery 60s counter-culture where everything was a statement, if also a war against the system. Purchase and exchange became less literal. The real radicalism would be to have an approach that is branded neutral for that would make it vibrant. Of course that is no longer permitted and they get it hammered into peoples' heads at a young age. Imagine a 12 year old going into school in a brightly coloured item of home made knitwear. It just wouldn't happen. Then you have the internet effect on the high street. Amazon Killed the Video Store. Add into the mix the likes of Bluewater which has not only turned traditional shopping centres within a 15 mile radius into rows of amusement arcades but is actually affecting trade in the identical Lakeside just 20 miles away. Not that we learn. As early as February 2009, Macys was one of six famous store chains in the US placed on "credit watch negative". Time guys to run for the bunkers or else get on the computer while phoning a friend.

              So much for Standard and Poors who evidently have something more dangerously potent than a nuclear arsenal. Maybe if you were to strip away the edifice you would find a bunch of 90 year olds who feel that if they are soon to kick the bucket, everyone must suffer with them and now. Anyhow, the recession should in theory be giving us the new punk. But it was always something of a stretch of the truth to say that punk itself emanated from hardship and drabness. It was far more directly linked to the colour of the hippies, and fluxus, and the situationists, than many would have you believe. And actually, from what I can see, the 60s didn't have an excuse for being the 60s other than that the young had more freedom but didn't quite believe in it. It was an expression of being wholly out of WW2's shadow while simultaneously feeling smothered by it in slightly different ways. These days it's all cluster bombing. The tremendous range of options we are told we have are just monochrome weeds in an ever greying wasteland.
              Last edited by Guest; 23-12-11, 13:44.

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              • greenilex
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1626

                #8
                Grunge had a very strong and lasting effect....we really don't want to re-embrace the rainbow hippie vibe, not with things as they are, not with the current long playground slide into a mudpatch.

                One does occasionally see rainbow nevertheless.

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                • Anna

                  #9
                  I hardly buy anything new preferring to go to charity shops and therefore I've evolved my own individual style, so fashion or trends or labels mean nothing to me. I have no idea to look like everyone else (although I did buy a Sarah Lund type jumper!) There are also the quaintly named "dress agencies" in other words second-hand clothes shops but the original owner gets a percentage of the price, these places sometimes are really very good. I have no idea if an equivalent exists for men? So, as S-A is in Dulwich which is rather a rich and swanky place, there should be a good selection of good quality stuff in the charity shops. Happy hunting!

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                  • Stillhomewardbound
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1109

                    #10
                    My sis-in-law does very well out of a couple of charity shops in Pimlico which concurs with Handsomefortune's experience. She's got some hardly worn tailored shirts, a Saville Row jacket and the like.

                    All of my shopping this year has been online.

                    My best buy has been the excellent 'Private Schultz' (Jack Pulman's wonderful comedy drama with Ian Richardson and Michael Elphick - 1981) for £4.50 from Amazon, however I have managed to get myself royally conned.

                    I've never had a bad experience until now. Ordered a complete series box set for my ex-wife of Little House on the Prarie which she loved as a child. She's always a bit tricky to buy for so I was really pleased to have this idea.

                    Well, I found it through Amazon but it was out of stock, then a couple of searches later and I found it through another site and a good bit cheaper, so ordered it up in a thrice.

                    Should have taken my time and done my homework then I would have noticed little details such as the email address being a gmail account!!

                    Now, I did actually receive the item but in the most frightful condition. It was clearly from remaindered stock and showed all the signs of having been deployed as the ball in a game of warehouse footies. It was scuffed and filty with dust throughout which had gotten into all the DVDs, lots of small scracthes also. The containing folder was also mildewed and the spine was detached.

                    Well, I took pictures and wrote a stiff letter and probably wasted my breath as I've had no response, so that's me £76 out of pocket and only myself to blame. I mean, try citing distance selling regulations to a gmail address!!

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                    • handsomefortune

                      #11
                      though this sentiment is often expressed after the festive season - it might be useful to some people before hand!

                      as both shb and s-a have expressed their sensation of lonlieness so common at at xmas....perhaps comfort yourselves with the thought that for many people they may never feel lonelier than when with family members that they may detest; have fallen out with; or have to fake it for some reason .....for the xmas period.

                      whereas to actually be alone is immensely pleasant ....in comparison with feeling 'religiously false' at xmas. (i'd give anything not to have to see some of my relies ....that's for sure).

                      oh to be tucked up nice and warm at MY home with a good dvd, or some favourite music that i love all year round .... instead of a miriad of brief pretenses at other peoples' homes in order to 'fit in'.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37993

                        #12
                        Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                        though this sentiment is often expressed after the festive season - it might be useful to some people before hand!

                        as both shb and s-a have expressed their sensation of lonlieness so common at at xmas....perhaps comfort yourselves with the thought that for many people they may never feel lonelier than when with family members that they may detest; have fallen out with; or have to fake it for some reason .....for the xmas period.

                        whereas to actually be alone is immensely pleasant ....in comparison with feeling 'religiously false' at xmas. (i'd give anything not to have to see some of my relies ....that's for sure).

                        oh to be tucked up nice and warm at MY home with a good dvd, or some favourite music that i love all year round .... instead of a miriad of brief pretenses at other peoples' homes in order to 'fit in'.
                        To quote AM51 in response to ahinton on another thread, handsome, feel free to unburden yourself!

                        (BTW I use RD Laing's phrase "unlonely aloneness" to describe my... solitary predicament )
                        Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 22-12-11, 15:30. Reason: Afterthought

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                        • Anna

                          #13
                          I have never heard the phrase 'unlonely aloneness', that's very good. There is too much pressure for people to join in, be festive and merry, through gritted teeth and wondering how soon it is before you can go home without offence!

                          Back ontopic re merchandise. What saddens me is so many High Streets looking identical, no character, no specialist shops, just chainstore after chainstore so you could be anywhere. My sister lives in Barnard Castle, I don't know if anyone knows it but the High Street is an absolute delight with wonderful, individual shops and a very good weekly market. Mary Portas (who has been designated Czarina of Shops or something by Dave) made a plea for markets to return to High Streets.

                          When I visit relatives in Lancs I'm often dragged along to the Trafford Centre. That is my idea of Hell on Earth, endless, endless stores all selling very much the same. I'm really not much of a 'consumer', which means I'm not helping the economy am I? So that does make me feel rather guilty.

                          Sorry, I think I'm still offtopic. The subject is drabness. It strikes me that people are just too shy (scared?) at showing any individuality when it comes to dress but perhaps it's always been that way apart from brief periods like the New Romantics, Hippies, Punk, Goth? Better to conform and feel one of the crowd. Or, were those brief excursions into style made when the economy was good? Is there some sort of link? I think there must be. I'm sure none of this makes sense but I'll post it anyway!

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                          • Lateralthinking1

                            #14
                            On your Trafford Centre comments, I went to a small town centre today. My father, nearly 81, drove and we came up to a mini roundabout at the entrance to a multi-storey. He had to turn left into it and always has his mind on needing to give way to the right at roundabouts. He hesitates although I tell him it doesn't apply to mini-roundabouts.

                            And a woman - alone, white, about 60, initially respectable looking - tried to cut across as he was turning. She had actually stuck her car on the roundabout marking and she was screaming abuse at the top of her voice. Gesticulating. Almost drove at his car. It was pure intimidation. I nearly got out. It really shook me up. It is easier to handle if it comes from white van man somehow. It was the shock of it. And then in the shops, I just kept staring at the shelves. I couldn't think. There were people pushing and shoving and suddenly stopping. I had to get out. Couldn't handle it. Left with two items and we then went to somewhere quieter.

                            As for the movements you mention, I don't think it is economy. 1956, 1967, 1977, 1981, 1989 and 1991 were all very different years (Rock and Roll, Hippies, Punk, New Romantics, Rave and Grunge respectively). What they have in common is that they were all far closer to the wars and indeed to the Victorian era. Both involved censorship. That I think was important and then legislative changes and the new technology. Britpop, 1994, was a throwback. Goth's perennial. Hip-Hop is 32. Otherwise now there's nothing.
                            Last edited by Guest; 22-12-11, 17:23.

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                            • Anna

                              #15
                              Lat, that must have been upsetting for you and your Dad. People can change when they get behind the wheel of a car, because they're in a protective bubble and she may have had problems, being late for appointment, worries, I don't know.

                              I do know what you mean about shopping malls, maybe it's some kind of claustrophobia, or just maybe the overwhelming mass of humanity that it's hard to deal with and, the crass consumerism, grab, grab, spend, spend.

                              You're probably right with your history theory, you think about things far more logically and deeply than I do!

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