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  • Pabmusic
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    • May 2011
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    Musical Mysteries

    There's nothing like a Christmas mystery story, so I thought it might be fun to consider some of the real puzzles that crop up in musical history. I don't suppose we'll actually solve any, but the exercise might prove entertaining. I'll kick off with Josef Strauss's unpublished works.

    Josef Strauss died suddenly in 1870 (he collapsed while conducting). No-one knows what was wrong, since there was no autopsy. (He may have been brain-damaged from birth, and he certainly showed signs of mild autism, or more probably Asperger's Syndrome, all his life.) Anyway, all his existing music passed to Johann's keeping. Some eight years later, Josef's widow Caroline wrote to Johann, asking for the return of her husband's unpublished works, so that she could arrange their publication. Johann denied he had ever received anything except copies of the scores that had been published in his lifetime. There were no unpublished pieces, or even sketches. In saying this, he was backed up by Eduard Strauss.

    Caroline was quite miffed, as she knew at least that Josef had worked on an operetta that he called her 'pension'. There must also have been many sketches and completed pieces, as the Strausses were expected to introduce new music continually. She continued to make a fuss till the end of her life, and their daughter Karolina continued until after WW1, but nothing ever came to light.

    Of course, the very strong suspicion is that all the music surfaced under Johann's name, but there is absolutely no evidence of it. In 1907, when Eduard wound up the Strauss Orchestra, he burned the entire library, and that is known to have contained some 500 pieces by Josef.

    Perhaps the most tantalising thought is that Johann produced Die Fledermaus in 1874, less that four years after Josef's operetta disappeared!

    None of this is particularly well known. It is covered reasonably well in Josef Strauss: Genius Against His Will, by Franz Mailer, but I've never seen it discussed in English anywhere else.
  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #2
    Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
    Of course, the very strong suspicion is that all the music surfaced under Johann's name, but there is absolutely no evidence of it. In 1907, when Eduard wound up the Strauss Orchestra, he burned the entire library, and that is known to have contained some 500 pieces by Josef.

    Perhaps the most tantalising thought is that Johann produced Die Fledermaus in 1874, less that four years after Josef's operetta disappeared!
    I know very few of Josef's pieces, but these do sound gentler, more melancholic than Johann's (closer to what Lehar would write later): the only thing in Fledermaus that sounds Josefesque to me is (perhaps ironically) Bruderlein. And did Johann need to rip off his sister-in-law? Or his brother's memory? Is there evidence that he was that sort of man? (Genuine questions, by the way: I haven't read a Strauss biography in over thirty years!)

    On the other hand, doesn't Eduard have a reputation for jealousy? Is it more likely that the bonfire of scores contained the missing "Pension"?
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    • Pabmusic
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      • May 2011
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      #3
      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      Is there evidence that he [Johann) was that sort of man? (Genuine questions, by the way: I haven't read a Strauss biography in over thirty years!)

      On the other hand, doesn't Eduard have a reputation for jealousy? Is it more likely that the bonfire of scores contained the missing "Pension"?
      You may well be right, of course. It was one of the greatest acts of musical vandalism. However, Johann could be jealous, too. He badgered Josef to join the family business (Josef was a civil engineer) and then got huffy when he became popular - so much so that Johann then started to promote Eduard instead. But Johann and Josef were quite close, and it is known that Josef did write the occasional piece for Johann when time was pressing (though there's no idea what!).

      Incidentally, Josef was apparently the first conductor to introduce the music of Wagner to Vienna. (Selections from Tristan!)

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      • Petrushka
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Josef Strauss, is for me, the best of the Strauss dynasty but has a quite different character, musically speaking, than Johann. FHG is correct in reminding us of the wistful melancholy in Josef's pieces while amongst Johann's waltzes only Wo die Zitronen bluhn as far as I know has this same quality. Even the polkas are shot through with wistfulness. The waltzes Dynamiden and Delerien are masterly examples of what I mean.

        The early waltzes of Josef are far superior to those that Johann wrote at the same stage in his career (listen to Perlen der Liebe for example) and I'm very pleased that Mariss Jansons has chosen some fine pieces by Josef in the 2012 New Year's Day concert.

        As for Die Fledermaus I agree with FHG.
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Pabmusic
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          • May 2011
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          #5
          Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
          Josef Strauss, is for me, the best of the Strauss dynasty but has a quite different character, musically speaking, than Johann. FHG is correct in reminding us of the wistful melancholy in Josef's pieces while amongst Johann's waltzes only Wo die Zitronen bluhn as far as I know has this same quality. Even the polkas are shot through with wistfulness. The waltzes Dynamiden and Delerien are masterly examples of what I mean.

          The early waltzes of Josef are far superior to those that Johann wrote at the same stage in his career (listen to Perlen der Liebe for example) and I'm very pleased that Mariss Jansons has chosen some fine pieces by Josef in the 2012 New Year's Day concert.

          As for Die Fledermaus I agree with FHG.
          How I agree with you. Johann (famously) said "Pepi ist der Begabtere, ich bin der Populärere" (Pepi - Josef - is the one with talent, I am the famous one).

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          • Petrushka
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
            How I agree with you. Johann (famously) said "Pepi ist der Begabtere, ich bin der Populärere" (Pepi - Josef - is the one with talent, I am the famous one).
            Professor Mailer is a noted authority on the Strauss family and I would love to read the book you mention but alas my German would not be up to it. Just looking again at this is intriguing. The waltz Wo die Zitronen bluhn was first performed a matter of 6 weeks after the Fledermaus premiere and an examination of the opus numbers round about that time reveals that another waltz from Johann, Bei uns z'Haus a few opus numbers earlier, is also slightly more typical of Josef than it is of Johann. If there are any obvious candidates (amongst the items I have heard) for being passed off then these are the ones. I have long considered these two pieces to be more like Josef.

            The only biographies in English, so far as I know, are those by Peter Kemp and Hans Fantel both of which are on my groaning bookshelves. Considering the huge popylarity of the Strauss's and the colourful lives they led, this is surprising. Any chance of a translation of the Mailer volume from you, Pabmusic?
            Last edited by Petrushka; 17-12-11, 22:08. Reason: silly typo
            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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            • subcontrabass
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              • Nov 2010
              • 2780

              #7
              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              Any chance of a translation of the Mailer volume from you, Pabmusic?
              There was a translation published in 1985. A few secondhand copies seem to be readily available through AbeBooks.

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              • Pabmusic
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                • May 2011
                • 5537

                #8
                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                Any chance of a translation of the Mailer volume from you, Pabmusic?
                Yes, there's a translation. The title I gave is a translation of Josef Strauss: Genie wider Willen. It's not very long, and leaves you wanting much more, but it's a good read. Here it is: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Josef-Straus...4155717&sr=1-8

                There's also this book, much stouter, but lacking an English version: Josef Strauß. Delirien und Sphärenklänge, by Otto Brusatti and Isabella Sommer.

                I think Josef is one of the most inexplicably neglected geniuses (if, admittedly, in a narrow field).
                Last edited by Pabmusic; 17-12-11, 21:55.

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                • Petrushka
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  Thanks subcontrabass and pabmusic. Will investigate.
                  "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                  • BBMmk2
                    Late Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20908

                    #10
                    I love mysteries! Although I am not a fan oif the Strauss Family's music, I do lover this kind of subject. Any Sherlock Holmes around here?
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                    • aeolium
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3992

                      #11
                      Not perhaps a mystery so much as an enigma, the career of Johann Tost, Hungarian violinist turned merchant. He was a violinist in the Esterhazy orchestra while Haydn was the Kapellmeister there, and was the dedicatee of twelve string quartets of Haydn (opp 54, 55 and 64), as well as Haydn's symphonies nos 88 and 89, and possibly Mozart's last two string quintets (which he is also thought to have commissioned). He apparently played with Haydn and Mozart in private performances of Mozart's quintets - what wouldn't anyone give to have been present at those performances?! He was it seems something of a shady businessman, having been sent by Haydn to sell the six quartets which later became op 54 and 55 and the two symphonies in Paris, but failed to tell Haydn that he had sold the symphonies and tried to pass off a symphony by someone else as Haydn's. Despite this, Haydn later dedicated the op 64 set to Tost. Why would Haydn have forgiven Tost his doubledealing in Paris? Was this Tost also the unnamed Hungarian music-lover who was mentioned when the K593 Mozart quintet was published by Artaria posthumously? Someone called Tost also later turns up in association with Spohr in the late 1790s but I'm not sure what happened to him thereafter.

                      Tost is mentioned quite frequently in Hans Keller's book on The Great Haydn Quartets, in which Keller describes him (on the basis of what Haydn had written for him) as "an exceptional musician with an intense and rich imagination", a "rich, improvisatory spirit", "a man who makes one regret, as few players of the past do, that the gramophone didn't yet exist in his time". It is surprising, then, that we know so little about this man - and why if he was such an astonishing violinist he gave it up to become a businessman. I'd be interested to find out more about him - he doesn't even merit a page in wiki!

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                      • french frank
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30650

                        #12
                        Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                        Someone called Tost also later turns up in association with Spohr in the late 1790s but I'm not sure what happened to him thereafter.
                        Someone somewhere has clearly done some research, since one reads in a programme note: "Perhaps it is worth noting that after his early successes in Vienna's business world, Johann Tost was himself tossed into harder times. At that point late in his life, he had to return to the violin to make ends meet. One wonders if Haydn's music came to his financial rescue once again." http://www.cmcolumbus.org/07-08_seas...t_Lawrence.htm
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Biffo

                          #13
                          The rather brief Wikipedia article says his cause of death was never determined as his widow refused to allow an autopsy. Why would that be?

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                          • Pabmusic
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                            • May 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Biffo View Post
                            ...his widow refused to allow an autopsy. Why would that be?
                            I presume you're talking about Josef Strauss. I've no idea why there was no autopsy - perhaps it wasn't obligatory in 19th-century Austria. No-one has any idea what was wrong (surely food for conspiracy theorists!), but he had not been well for some time. The collapse was unexpected (he was conducting) and he lingered for several days, which might suggest a haemorrhagic stroke, although no one wrote about paralysis.

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                            • Biffo

                              #15
                              I was referring to Josef Strauss, the intervening posts about Tost weren't there when I started. I was only trying to add an element of murder mystery. Wikipedia mentions rumours that Josef had been beaten by drunken Russian soldiers for refusing to perform for them. Currently listening to Dynamiden played by Rudolf Kempe and the VPO. The main theme bears a superficial resemblance to Wiener Blut - don't know which came first.

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