Isn't the 'x' in Auxerre nearer a gentle 'z'?
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Nuts.
Armond or Al mond, nearly forgot Allmond, other vars. exist.Comment
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... I think in RP only armond is acceptable: all the others are 'spelling pronunciations'.Originally posted by gradus View PostComment
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... yes, the English /riːmz/ doesn't sound much like the French /ʁɛ̃s/Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
And we need the English pronunciation for the pome to rhyme with 'dreams'
The Jackdaw of Rheims
THE JACKDAW sat on the Cardinal’s chair!
Bishop and abbot and prior were there;
Many a monk, and many a friar,
Many a knight, and many a squire,
With a great many more of lesser degree,—
In sooth, a goodly company;
And they serv’d the Lord Primate on bended knee.
Never, I ween,
Was a prouder seen,
Read of in books, or dreamt of in dreams,
Than the Cardinal Lord Archbishop of Rheims!
Richard Harris Barham [1788–1845]Last edited by vinteuil; 31-01-18, 14:59.Comment
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No longer definite?
This is not pronunciation as such, so apologies, but does anyone else cringe at being invited to "check on Radio 3 [or 4 or 4 Extra or whatever] website"? Or being informed that a piece was "Performed by BBC Symphony Orchestra"?
The definite article has served well and faithfully for a good many years; what has it done to the BBC that they so determinedly abandon it? Or could it be that I'm mistaken and simply mishearing?Comment
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That Emma is often, erm, well, she says it differently from me; and I wouldn't rely on her being correct unless she stipulates that she is giving the American English pronunciation.Originally posted by Bryn View Post
I was trying to think of the exceptions to ferney's 'rule'
and didn't remember Metz, which I pronounced wrongly until 'they' corrected me. And, yes, pace Emma, Auxerre. And I have heard GrinnOHbel … And have even, occasionally, heard of Canne(s) in Normandy 
It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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I think I first became aware of it a few years back when "...from Wigmore Hall" started creeping in.Originally posted by vinteuil View PostComment
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I bellieve that I first heard this pronunciation of tortoise on The Two Ronnies, and assumed it was a joke rather than an error: but perhaps it has become influential.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostLast edited by kernelbogey; 01-02-18, 11:44.Comment
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... the 'English' pronunciation of a French proper name that continues to infuriate me is Degas.
Why o why o why o why... will people say "Day - ga"?? They are quite able to give the necessary schwa to de Gaulle, de La Rochefoucauld, madame de Maintenon, Claude de Bussy, &c... why can't they 'get' de Gas ?
I wd happily accept de Gass, bicoz I understand the s was originally pronounced - but Dayga???
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It would be prounounced Dayga only were it to have an acute accent over the e, non?Originally posted by vinteuil View Post.
... the 'English' pronunciation of a French proper name that continues to infuriate me is Degas.
Why o why o why o why... will people say "Day - ga"?? They are quite able to give the necessary schwa to de Gaulle, de La Rochefoucauld, madame de Maintenon, Claude de Bussy, &c...
I wd happily accept de Gass, bicoz I understand the s was originally pronounced - but Dayga???
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