Pronunciation watch

[french frank]

There seems to be a current vogue to pronounce the first syllable of "enclave" as if it were French (but the second syllable as English).

The OED seems to allow a certain freedom:
Brit. /ˈɛnkleɪv/, /ˈɛŋkleɪv/,/ˈɒŋkleɪv/,/ɛnˈkleɪv/,/ɒnkleɪv/
U.S. /ˈɛnˌkleɪv/,/ˈɑŋˌkleɪv/

Some of the subtle nuances escape me.

[subcontrabass]

The OED seems to allow a certain freedom:
Brit. /ˈɛnkleɪv/, /ˈɛŋkleɪv/,/ˈɒŋkleɪv/,/ɛnˈkleɪv/,/ɒnkleɪv/
U.S. /ˈɛnˌkleɪv/,/ˈɑŋˌkleɪv/

Some of the subtle nuances escape me.

The online OED only gives an example of the first for the British pronunciation, but both for the US pronuciation.

[french frank]

The online OED only gives an example of the first for the British pronunciation, but both for the US pronuciation.

Yes, we're expected to know our IPA (in this case International Phonetic Alphabet - to avert other suggestions!) for the others.

[kernelbogey]

Yes, we're expected to know our IPA ....

I'll drink to that.

[french frank]

I'll drink to that.

I knew it!!

[kernelbogey]

I knew it!!

I just need to stick my head above the bar now and again....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I just need to stick my head above the bar now and again....

So do I - I usually manage all of eight seconds before I fall back under again.

[Sir Velo]

Another of my bugbears on last Monday's lunchtime concert: SMP announcing "Loo-chee-arno Berio"'s sequenza for flute. :sigh:

[jean]

What would you prefer?

[Sir Velo]

Is it too much to expect reasonable care and attention in pronouncing Italian names? It's hardly Danish . My enjoyment of Stephen Johnson's Discovering Music on Tallis (now on the website) was marred by SJ's constant reference to Stridge - ee-oh.

[jean]

Write your preferred versions in IPA and we'll know what you're talking about.

[Richard Tarleton]

As long as they don't go the whole KD parmigiano-reggiano as Cali unforgettably described it (can't find the exact post )

[french frank]

Write your preferred versions in IPA and we'll know what you're talking about.

I presume this means treating the 'i' as a separate syllable, rather than as a modifier of the consonant? Streedg-oh. Loo-chano?

[jean]

What it meant was that I couldn't see much wrong with the transcription we were given - unless the 'oh' at the end of 'Striggio' implied a rather un-Italian diphthong.

[french frank]

What it meant was that I couldn't see much wrong with the transcription we were given - unless the 'oh' at the end of 'Striggio' implied a rather un-Italian diphthong.

And I thought the -ee- (the separate syllable) was the point. Similarly Jee-o-vann-ee, a carefully pronounced quadrisyllable rather than Joe-vann-ee. But only Sir Velo can confirm what he meant.